1) I miss being able to cook grenades.
2) Why can't my space magic guy throw the grenade further than 10 feet?
3) Most grenades in Destiny (unless they stick) do less damage than a single shot from my Hawkmoon (and not even the lucky shot).
4) I miss being able to switch grenades on the fly for situational use.
5) The grenades in Destiny vary dramatically in terms of power. I'll focus on Hunter grenades because I'm most familiar with that glass: Without a stick, Tripmine is the only hunter grenade that can earn a kill from full health. With a direct hit, arcbolt and skip grenades still don't score a kill (maybe skip does if you hit before it bounces? I'm not sure on that one since I never use it). The result is less variety in games because some grenades feel worse than others, regardless of the situation.

Because someone will claim I'm being one-sided, there are things that I like about Destiny's grenades vs. other games:

1) Lots of variety. With small buffs to the lesser-used grenades I think we'd see more variety in PvP as well.
2) Lasting area of denial effects.
3) The more powerful grenades can be shot to eliminate them (lightning, trip mine).
4) The grenades for each class fit the playstyles and themes well.

And then there's this: In PvE, the enemy grenades are literally worthless. I don't know why they exist since they do miniscule amounts of damage. The only time I care about them at all is if the burn for the enemy grenade is active. Flip side being PvE player grenades are massive killers. I wish there was more similarity in terms of damage there.

A Reach frag grenade did exactly zero lasting damage. Exactly the same as all of Destiny's non-sticky grenades (provided you don't stand in an area of effect or something silly.)

Who are these mythical enemies in Reach who use grenades but never guns as well?

Probably standing along side the mythical Ragashingo that made anything resembling that claim. :)

I was discussing the power of the grenades themselves. Of course grenades are used in conjunction with other forms of attack! But there were also plenty of times that I'd take a frag to the face and back off to regain my health and shields.

A Reach frag grenade did exactly zero lasting damage. Exactly the same as all of Destiny's non-sticky grenades (provided you don't stand in an area of effect or something silly.)

Who are these mythical enemies in Reach who use grenades but never guns as well?

Grenades are about weakening an enemy or changing the flow of an engagement, not nuking an enemy from a distance. And they do a good job and have a fun variety to them. Odd that you seem to understand that and then flop to calling them terrible. I'll give you a 3/10.

lol well played.

It's only because I'm used to the grenades in every other game, ever.

Like the decade long Halo series? Where the standard grenade never, ever killed by itself? Look, I'll be happy to talk and debate with you about the merits of grenades or whatever else, but only whenever you decide you want to have an actual discussion. I'm not messing with your pathetic fanboy crap or your clearly dishonest hyperbole.

I'm out.

Since Destiny has us regenerating grenades all the time, not to mention the secondary nature of them (blinding, traps, area-of-denial, throw-and-forget), I welcome the fact that they aren't like Reach's frags in the Crucible.

IMO, at a high level, the purpose of grenades in an FPS should always be to flush an enemy out of cover.

NOT to be used as a throw-able rocket.

The only grenades that should be one-hit kills are stickies. Period.

Titans and Warlocks have decent options, too, but none of the grenades in destiny hold a candle to Halo's grenades. Or really the grenades in any other game with grenades that I can thing of.

Grenades are about weakening an enemy or changing the flow of an engagement, not nuking an enemy from a distance. And they do a good job and have a fun variety to them. Odd that you seem to understand that and then flop to calling them terrible. I'll give you a 3/10.

lol well played.

It's only because I'm used to the grenades in every other game, ever.

Yeah, I usually shoot a dude once or twice and then grenade him around the corner to finish him off. Alternately, I'll chuck an arcbolt grenade at a control zone and then come in to one-shot everyone with my hawkmoon after.

I still think grenades in destiny, overall, are terrible. The PvE enemy grenades are so bad you can basically ignore them unless there's a burn on, and the PvP grenades just lack... power. It's so rare to get more than 1 kill with a grenade (even when the enemy is standing next to each other), and very common to get no kills at all. It makes me sad.

Grenades are about weakening an enemy or changing the flow of an engagement, not nuking an enemy from a distance. And they do a good job and have a fun variety to them. Odd that you seem to understand that and then flop to calling them terrible. I'll give you a 3/10.

I still think grenades in destiny, overall, are terrible. The PvE enemy grenades are so bad you can basically ignore them unless there's a burn on, and the PvP grenades just lack... power. It's so rare to get more than 1 kill with a grenade (even when the enemy is standing next to each other), and very common to get no kills at all. It makes me sad.