These are too good to pass up on nowadays... Thorn, TLW, Red Death.....

I still see a fair amount of Icebreaker, but mostly on larger maps. I've seen less snipers in general lately. Seems like everybody uses shotguns these days.

Special ammo regen + shotgun improvement = too good to put down. I bought TLW last week and it can't get off the bench. Three Little Words (pulse rifle) and Invective have been extremely effective.

I'm killed so rarely by Snipers that I barely care. Maybe this doesn't matter because all I play is Control? I can't believe I'm about to say this, but...

...maybe snipes need a boost?

I feel dirty.

I'd have replaced combined arms with something better, like Capture the Flag or Team Oddball :-p

How about Team Heavies? Special and heavy ammo crates are on quicker respawn timers.

Problem: Combined Arms is not interesting enough
Solution: Do nothing about Combined Arms, make other playlists less interesting

Combined arms would make sense in Halo, but I just don't think vehicle play is very developed in Destiny. I'd have replaced combined arms with something better, like Capture the Flag or Team Oddball :-p

So First Light and the Citadel (Mars) map were moved to Combined arms due to the sniper abuse going on.

Is that really what it was? People being dumb? Come on. You could move through the interiors of those maps and never have a sniper touch you. If you don't want to get sniped, don't take the outside ways from place to place!

Snipers were obviously good on both maps, but never game breakingly so in my experience.

I don't think those maps being removed from Control/Clash had anything to do with sniper abuse. I certainly don't remember Bungie saying anything that could be understood to even imply that was the reason.

Players were complaining that those maps came up too frequently in the rotation. Players also talked a lot about how there was no reason to go into the Combined Arms playlist because those same maps were in Control and Clash already (with no differences between the Combined Arms version). I have always thought that the main reason they were taken out of the normal playlists is because Bungie wanted to highlight Combined Arms as a vehicle playlist, so they pulled the vehicle maps out of the other playlists.

So First Light and the Citadel (Mars) map were moved to Combined arms due to the sniper abuse going on.

Is that really what it was? People being dumb? Come on. You could move through the interiors of those maps and never have a sniper touch you. If you don't want to get sniped, don't take the outside ways from place to place!

Snipers were obviously good on both maps, but never game breakingly so in my experience.

That being said, if you can do this with Icebreaker, you're a better sniper than me and you have my respect.

These are too good to pass up on nowadays... Thorn, TLW, Red Death.....

I still see a fair amount of Icebreaker, but mostly on larger maps. I've seen less snipers in general lately. Seems like everybody uses shotguns these days.

Surprisingly, I'm seeing very little Icebreaker in PvP these days - I can't really tell if it's LESS than before the swap, but it's certainly not more. Not sure I can explain that; I KNOW that in an ammo-poor environment, a gun that creates its own should be more common... but it's not. At least not in the games I'm playing.

Ice Breaker kicks like a mule... far too much recoil for it to compete with Praedyth's Revenge and other high-stability sniper rifles in PvP. Plus, as unoudid pointed out, Crucible seems to be dominated by exotic primaries. I personally rotate between Thorn, Hawkmoon, Suros Regime, and Red Death. In any case, I'm always using an exotic primary :)

I haven't seen it much lately either.

I ran across some NLB users on Bastion yesterday. Seems like they might have a little advantage on these larger maps and I was surprised I didn't see more people trying to use it on that playlist. They killed me a couple or three times and then I activated the counter to NLB: strafing side to side slightly. They never could hit me after that.

That's exactly how I counter hobgoblins. Works like a charm when I remember.

I'd think a death or two would do WONDERS for your memory. :)

Out of sight, out of mind. If I see them, I'm strafing. Those other Vex enemies distract me, though. I suck at multitasking. :)

I haven't seen it much lately either.

I ran across some NLB users on Bastion yesterday. Seems like they might have a little advantage on these larger maps and I was surprised I didn't see more people trying to use it on that playlist. They killed me a couple or three times and then I activated the counter to NLB: strafing side to side slightly. They never could hit me after that.

That's exactly how I counter hobgoblins. Works like a charm when I remember.

I'd think a death or two would do WONDERS for your memory. :)

I haven't seen it much lately either.

I ran across some NLB users on Bastion yesterday. Seems like they might have a little advantage on these larger maps and I was surprised I didn't see more people trying to use it on that playlist. They killed me a couple or three times and then I activated the counter to NLB: strafing side to side slightly. They never could hit me after that.

That's exactly how I counter hobgoblins. Works like a charm when I remember.

I ran across some NLB users on Bastion yesterday. Seems like they might have a little advantage on these larger maps and I was surprised I didn't see more people trying to use it on that playlist. They killed me a couple or three times and then I activated the counter to NLB: strafing side to side slightly. They never could hit me after that.