I honestly don't think they did. I think the original plan was just to keep doing what TDB did - roll out a whole new set of legendaries with new attack/defense values each time, and leave the old stuff behind. I think the new upgrade system (whatever it turns out to be) is a direct response to community feedback (read: community raging).

Heh.

Though this is great news for me; I've still got an old 300 Crash that rolled double grenade cooldown perks. Loooove that gun, especially paired with blind grenades or Axion Bolt.

~m

Seriously, the percentage of players that raid is incredibly small. This is true in almost all MMOs. While I think the raids have been, to date, the most interesting part of Destiny, I'm glad that the focus for HoW is on making content that is equally interesting but far more accessible. This looks like a good decision to me.

Of course, I haven't so much as launched Destiny in 3 weeks, so what do I know? Maybe the game is all raids all the time now.

I'm sure more people would raid if Bungie actually made it easier to do so. Be it matchmaking or even just an in-game LFG.

They could even do something more straightforward and natural than that, like, I don't know, let you talk to anyone in any game mode without having to do external opt-in party stuff.

Same. I got rid of plenty of them, I was just too attached to TDYK to give it up, and for a while there no other hand cannons would drop for me.

If the stats aren't a lie, datamining suggested there would be a new DYK:
http://destinydb.com/items/2136150589-sojourner-compass

You'll still have to roll better perks, but as far as stats are concerned, it's the same gun.

How is this handled in WoW? I'm just not familiar with the model.

WoW charges a full game's price on top of the monthly subscription. You get vanilla WoW for $10 a month, but you have to pay $35-55 for each expansion.

That said, you get more content, with raids ranging from 4-25* players (that might be different now, I'm not a wizard).

Fun Fact! Only 2% of the player base of the original Vanilla WoW played the final end-game Raid.

*Fixed

A raid in each expansion was hardly an unreasonable expectation.

Exactly, especially since the first expansion had one.

I think Bungie recognizes that expectation else they wouldn't have described their decision to not include it the way they did.

Given that it wasn't an unreasonable expectation, I'm wondering about the future raid, its presumed inclusion in Comet and how that might shake out price-wise.

Would comet be available to players who didn't buy the expansion packs? Could the raid be available separately from other new content to people who have the expansion packs or could there be a discount available to such people.

How is this handled in WoW? I'm just not familiar with the model.

Regarding HoW, despite some disappointment I'm excited about new story content and intrigued by a completely new activity.

I had the same expectation, that each Expansion would come with a Raid. I'm pretty sure everyone did.

It seems to me that even Bungie thought this at one point. Saying that they didn't make the decision (not to have a raid in this one) lightly indicates that there was in fact a decision, and probably one they didn't go in expecting to make.

Psssh. What I said was true. Besides, there's always been people more loud and irrational than Cody. It's just most of them aren't worth listening to in the least while Cody sometimes is.

He acknowledged that he wasn't sure if he was justified in being disappointed. He was disappointed nonetheless. He calmly expressed that fact, in a sensible manner that also left room for the fact that his disappointment may be unfounded, and that we'll see, when HoW drops.

Is Cody being loud right now? Not at all, at least not in the post you responded to. Is he being irrational? Kinda. I had the same expectation, that each Expansion would come with a Raid. I'm pretty sure everyone did. The assumption was reasonable, but still ultimately an assumption.

So there's a way you can break this down and portray his actions herein as irrational, but, if that really bothers you, I have no idea how you can stand humanity. Oh, wait, yes I do, simple human irrationality on your part. Glad we got that cleared up.

I was only able to do this because I only have a teeny tiny arsenal in the first place, though.

Actually they did. It was in descriptions about the House of Wolves in certain ads. It was advertised as coming with a raid:

That was something that was datamined. That was not something Bungie released.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-02-04-destiny-house-of-wolves-expansion-details-possible-release-date-leak

You think a lot of things. Has there ever been an official source saying each expansion would have a raid? If not, then aren't you just inventing your own made up reasons to be disappointed? That doesn't seem healthy.

Nope. People are datamining old data and holding Bungie to promises Bungie never even made.

Actually they did. It was in descriptions about the House of Wolves in certain ads. It was advertised as coming with a raid:

(I recall seeing something similar before I got the expansion pass.

You think a lot of things. Has there ever been an official source saying each expansion would have a raid? If not, then aren't you just inventing your own made up reasons to be disappointed? That doesn't seem healthy.

Nope. People are datamining old data and holding Bungie to promises Bungie never even made.

I used to have a Void Deviant Gravity with field scout that I definitely would have held on to. It was pretty much the best HMG I've had.

Interestingly for me, I still have the old void Comedian I bought from the Vanguard vendor early on, because as of yet I haven't had another void shotgun drop (no Swordbreaker for me, yet). Thanks to the massive shotgun buff, it's far from useless, but I can tell it doesn't hit as hard as my 331 shotties. If nothing else shows up before HoW, maybe I'll be able to hang onto it forever? I wouldn't mind, I actually like that gun a lot.

HHNNNNRGGG!