Never gotten a Vanquisher III

You can buy it from New Monarchy.

Not that I'm trying to lure you away from hand cannons or anything. I'd use them if I could, but my thumbs tend to spaz out when I know I need to make every shot count. It's why I'm also garbage with a sniper rifle :p

I feel exactly the same. I can consistently full headshot sprays out of my Up for Anything, but can't, in any circumstance, get more than a single (if that) headshot out of a hand cannon/sniper rifle.

Just got a Vanquisher VIII out of a Nightfall that I plan on trying out on banana's Crucible DBO vs DBO. It is the first Auto Rifle of that class of RoF/Impact that I ever got. It has Cascade (melee kills speed up reload), which should help me out on CQB, and Crowd Control (kills grant bonus damage), which should help me in more frantic times. Field Scout will also do nicely, I think. :)

I have a Vanquisher as well, and field scout makes that puppy into beast.

Like Shingen or the even slower one?

I dunno. I tried Atheon's Epilogue, got nowhere. Was told that's because it had no impact. Tried what I thought was the other end of the spectrum (Suros Regime), got nowhere. Didn't really continue to try.

Stay away from low impact high rate of fire autorifles at all costs. They suck. Period. Full stop.

You want something hard hitting and stable. Surros is good, and I don't know what perks you had unlocked for it. Vanquisher VIII is very good as well.

Never gotten a Vanquisher III - but the Suros is maxed. I had it set with Field Choke (more range and impact) and Hammer Forged (improved range and accuracy).

Keep in mind though that autorifles ARE outclassed by hand canons and scout rifles in both PvP and PvE, at least in my opinion. The only time I really use autorifles is Hard Light during the Abyss.

Not that I'm trying to lure you away from hand cannons or anything. I'd use them if I could, but my thumbs tend to spaz out when I know I need to make every shot count. It's why I'm also garbage with a sniper rifle :p

I feel exactly the same. I can consistently full headshot sprays out of my Up for Anything, but can't, in any circumstance, get more than a single (if that) headshot out of a hand cannon/sniper rifle.

Just got a Vanquisher VIII out of a Nightfall that I plan on trying out on banana's Crucible DBO vs DBO. It is the first Auto Rifle of that class of RoF/Impact that I ever got. It has Cascade (melee kills speed up reload), which should help me out on CQB, and Crowd Control (kills grant bonus damage), which should help me in more frantic times. Field Scout will also do nicely, I think. :)

Like Shingen or the even slower one?

I dunno. I tried Atheon's Epilogue, got nowhere. Was told that's because it had no impact. Tried what I thought was the other end of the spectrum (Suros Regime), got nowhere. Didn't really continue to try.

Stay away from low impact high rate of fire autorifles at all costs. They suck. Period. Full stop.

You want something hard hitting and stable. Surros is good, and I don't know what perks you had unlocked for it. Vanquisher VIII is very good as well.

Keep in mind though that autorifles ARE outclassed by hand canons and scout rifles in both PvP and PvE, at least in my opinion. The only time I really use autorifles is Hard Light during the Abyss.

Tried what I thought was the other end of the spectrum (Suros Regime), got nowhere. Didn't really continue to try.

The Suros Regime works best for me when I use it more like a high-RoF scout rifle than an auto rifle. When aiming down sights, I can fire faster pulling the trigger for each round than if I just let it go full auto. Also, for some reason, when I hold down the trigger and just start spraying bullets, my brain just shuts off and I stop worrying about head shots. Every trigger pull, no matter how fast I'm going, seems to help me refocus.

Not that I'm trying to lure you away from hand cannons or anything. I'd use them if I could, but my thumbs tend to spaz out when I know I need to make every shot count. It's why I'm also garbage with a sniper rifle :p

-Disciple

Like Shingen or the even slower one?

I dunno. I tried Atheon's Epilogue, got nowhere. Was told that's because it had no impact. Tried what I thought was the other end of the spectrum (Suros Regime), got nowhere. Didn't really continue to try.

In PvE I'm all Fatebringer (and Word of Crota) all the time. The Chance is nice too.

But in PvP I just cant kill stuff with a handcannon. Ive tried all shapes and sizes, even TLW, which is basically an AR. I just can't seem to keep my K/D over 1.0 unless I'm using an Auto Rifle.

Heh - and if I use an Auto Rifle, I can't keep my K/D over 0.5 :)

I still feel to this day like I haven't found a PvP weapon that really suits me. I've got Thorn and The Last Word, but I don't do particularly well with either of them. I did have a lot of fun using Monte Carlo a few days ago, but I could have just been having a good night. I'll have to experiment with it more.

For a long time, the only weapons I was effective with were Fusion Rifles; literally anything else meant a negative k/d and a lot of frustration. I only recently started branching out into other weapon classes again; I'm not sure if it's a better understanding of the meta, or if I'm just better now, but my best games these days are with Last Word, and Thorn is close behind.

Class might have something to do with it; I never played hunter until recently, and I seem to play better with hand cannons on hunter (the subclass abilities may have something to do with that). My playstyle changes have mostly come from boredom: I understand AR's and FR's, and now I'm trying to understand HC's and Snipers. I think mastery of a particular loadout is nice, but I generally have more fun with loadouts and weapons I'm less familiar with.

It's neat how different people play differently. I'm less accurate with auto rifles because I use the time between trigger pulls on the other gun types to aim. It's not quite as bad as aim-shot-aim-shot-aim, I'm a lot more fluid than that of course, but it kinda feels like I pull down the trigger on something like Hard Light and I have to remind myself to stay on target well before I get a kill.

I agree. I've played Destiny and other games with a friend of mine and we have completely different play styles. In Destiny, I almost always rock the AR and Shotgun (yes, I'm a titan) and he would marry a hand cannon if he could. We both use Scout rifles.

However, he keeps telling me to use a hand cannon in PvP, but every time I do I just get wrecked. I just don't have the composure to use a hand cannon in PvP. Which is the other reason why I rarely use snipers.

But in PvP I just cant kill stuff with a handcannon. Ive tried all shapes and sizes, even TLW, which is basically an AR. I just can't seem to keep my K/D over 1.0 unless I'm using an Auto Rifle.

I don't know if that means Hand Cannons are that superior, or if they fit my play style, or if I figured game-play out. Probably all three.

Unlikely on the superior weapon. They are all balanced pretty well, with each class having some "high performance" options.

All Hawkmoons are pistols, but not all pistols are Hawkmoons, if that makes sense.

Personally it is pretty hard to pull me away from scout rifles and shotguns, but I was recently gifted a "Red Hand IX" and I'm having fun with it, for a Hand Cannon. At the same time, I've yet to experience a Scout Rifle with Firefly\explosive rounds, so when I do, I'll get to fall in love all over again, I'm sure...

I rolled a Badger CCL with both.

She is glorious.

~m

Agreed. Bad Juju with armor piercing rounds and autofill clip on kills wrecks small targets like thralls. But each weapon and class has its niche.

I find that in PvP I'm best with auto rifles because when I have pull the trigger between shots with other weapons it reduces my accuracy. But I also find that the high impact auto rifles with slower fire work best which is why I'm still rocking shadow price and waiting on suros regime.

It's neat how different people play differently. I'm less accurate with auto rifles because I use the time between trigger pulls on the other gun types to aim. It's not quite as bad as aim-shot-aim-shot-aim, I'm a lot more fluid than that of course, but it kinda feels like I pull down the trigger on something like Hard Light and I have to remind myself to stay on target well before I get a kill.

A Vanquisher will feel very different from a Hard Light. There are plenty of Blue AR's with focus fire that are just a higher RoF, automatic scout rifle.

Or, for a Scout Rifle that feels strangely close to an AR, try B-Line Trauma.

~m

Agreed. Bad Juju with armor piercing rounds and autofill clip on kills wrecks small targets like thralls. But each weapon and class has its niche.

I find that in PvP I'm best with auto rifles because when I have pull the trigger between shots with other weapons it reduces my accuracy. But I also find that the high impact auto rifles with slower fire work best which is why I'm still rocking shadow price and waiting on suros regime.

It's neat how different people play differently. I'm less accurate with auto rifles because I use the time between trigger pulls on the other gun types to aim. It's not quite as bad as aim-shot-aim-shot-aim, I'm a lot more fluid than that of course, but it kinda feels like I pull down the trigger on something like Hard Light and I have to remind myself to stay on target well before I get a kill.

A Vanquisher will feel very different from a Hard Light. There are plenty of Blue AR's with focus fire that are just a higher RoF, automatic scout rifle.

Agreed. Bad Juju with armor piercing rounds and autofill clip on kills wrecks small targets like thralls. But each weapon and class has its niche.

I find that in PvP I'm best with auto rifles because when I have pull the trigger between shots with other weapons it reduces my accuracy. But I also find that the high impact auto rifles with slower fire work best which is why I'm still rocking shadow price and waiting on suros regime.

It's neat how different people play differently. I'm less accurate with auto rifles because I use the time between trigger pulls on the other gun types to aim. It's not quite as bad as aim-shot-aim-shot-aim, I'm a lot more fluid than that of course, but it kinda feels like I pull down the trigger on something like Hard Light and I have to remind myself to stay on target well before I get a kill.

I find that in PvP I'm best with auto rifles because when I have pull the trigger between shots with other weapons it reduces my accuracy. But I also find that the high impact auto rifles with slower fire work best which is why I'm still rocking shadow price and waiting on suros regime.