So yesterday was my first ever Raid with DBO people. It was pretty great.

It was also my first time with the Fireteam Builder. And Earendil was on the list (not tentative). I was actually planning on inviting you before the people listed Tentative, but one of them changed, and the other joined our party on their own

For what it's worth, that event was the reminder that I wanted to post something about this, but it is not the reason. You'll notice I started the thread hours before the event was to take place. I have absolutely no hard feelings, or even moderately firm feelings :)

I posted too much about it yesterday, but here I will try to state succinctly why I will continue to invite people in the order they sign up, regardless of their commitment level.

I want to create an environment that promotes honesty. We all have busy lives, and if the scheduled time is a little problematic for you, I want you to be honest and say that you're tentative without feeling like you're going to be penalized for doing so. I don't read tentatives as being a reflection of less interest, but simply a reflection of the fact that most of us are adults with competing priorities. If people are more honest, this also gives people who are thinking about joining up a more accurate reflection of how long the queue is, and how "solid" that line is. The latter was my reason for wanting the default view to be what it was, especially since organizers who have a different philosophy than mine could work with what we had. I preferred that we all see the sign-up order by default simply because it's simpler and less likely to confuse. I can work with what we have now, though.

That is all.

It was also my first time with the Fireteam Builder. And Earendil was on the list (not tentative). I was actually planning on inviting you before the people listed Tentative, but one of them changed, and the other joined our party on their own (which hasn't been discussed in here). I actually felt bad about it, and had the same conundrum we are talking about in here come up. "How do I use this thing without being a jerk?"

My solution will be to make team choosing really clear in the event description next time. This will be my priority list.

1. Order signed up online and Non-Tentative. If you are signed up, and Non-Tentative, that tells me you are planning to be there, especially if you are in the first 6 "Non-Tentative"

2. Appearence online at the designated time (Non-Tentative, then Tentative). Next time, I will put a time, like "Fireteam will be formed at 5:25p, via invites from me" This is actually trickier than it looks, as I had a fireteam of 5, a buddy (Not listed on DBO builder) trying to join, and two DBOer's jump onto Destiny at the exact same time. So... Yeah. The leader is in a tight spot, especially if they are trying to be friendly to everyone.

3. I suppose if people don't show up (which I honestly expected might happen, it didn't), a panic would then ensue to fill the last spot. At which point I would be thankful to have 1 or 2 "tentative folks" just waiting around online as "maybe's"

Just my thoughts, this thread is helpful to me, and I will be adding a "how the fireteam will be chosen" portion to my description.

E.g i'm usually tentative (due to timezones), so if Im late and get replaced thats my own fault. People shouldn't be left guessing as to my status. But I'd like to hope that if I'm already online I'd get an invite before "confirmed" people who signed up later than me. And of course, if Im only tentative and Im NOT online, invite someone else by all means.

But if Im confirmed and Im a bit late, I similarly hope I'd get a little more leeway before being replaced.

Tl;Dr - Confirmed should be allowed to be late and still get invited, tentative should not be.

Whether I can play or not largely depends on whether I'm still awake and I'd hate to keep someone who's definitely going to be online from joining just because I've passed out, but at the same time if I'm online I hope I wouldn't be skipped over just for being tentatibe.

What I need to do better is set it to invite only. I don't like it when we're waiting on someone to swap characters and somebody else just drops in. I hate having to kick people back out.

Can't you just talk them and tell them what's going on rather than kicking them?

I do, but I still feel mean for asking them to leave.

I just learned the forum does not support emoji so I will label this as a joke. That's funny, right? Labeling a joke?

What I need to do better is set it to invite only. I don't like it when we're waiting on someone to swap characters and somebody else just drops in. I hate having to kick people back out.

Can't you just talk them and tell them what's going on rather than kicking them?

There are "Sort by" links above the RSVP list that let you change your preferred sorting method:

You'll need to refresh the page a couple times (or Shift-refresh) to get the updated styles.

I choose people from the list based on skill and friendliness. Is that wrong? :p

Heh - those seem to sum to a nearly constant number for a lot of people. :)