That being said, they still drive me mad. I'm not the most patient person.

~m

Tone and all that kinda gets lost on the internet in a lot of cases.

I guess? But I think saying someone who is playing in a manner that's hurting their team is stoned or an idiot is rather extreme.

It's quite a bit easier to just focus on running at a base and shooting the people repeatedly than you seem to be maintaining.

I think, actually, that this optimal strategy being taken for granted is one of those things that being in a community like DBO is responsible for, in part.

Yup. And my original post was more of a joke than a real complaint. (This is a game, after all.)

But if I have to be all serious and not call people idiots (or suggest they're acting in a way that implies some sort of altered state), just because I work on this site... okay.

They're not idiots. And they're not stoned. They're just not thinking very much about how their actions are affecting their team.

Sorry, I'll stay away from the levity.

Oh, yeah, there are definitely idiots who do that, I just don't think that everybody who does that is (necessarily) an idiot.

I'm with you on this. The game mechanics and systems give people positive feedback when a team controls all the zones. A person not realizing the connection between spawning and map control while receiving this positive feedback is understandable. Plus, I hate calling someone an idiot when they probably think that they are helping the team.

I don't think I'm an idiot, but I'm not sure I would have picked up on the "ignore A" strategy had I not seen people talking about it here first. That is one of the things I love about DBO. I get exposed to way more ideas than I would ever come up with on my own and hence I learn a lot from everyone here. Not everyone participates in or observes that kind of community... I don't think that makes them an idiot, they just have different priorities in life.

My $0.02

It's quite a bit easier to just focus on running at a base and shooting the people repeatedly than you seem to be maintaining.

I think, actually, that this optimal strategy being taken for granted is one of those things that being in a community like DBO is responsible for, in part.

Mainly because I'd like to not be indirectly called an idiot.

Or stoned, for that matter.

There's playing in the moment, and there's playing stoned. I'd rather if you're stoned that you watch Netflix instead.

lol, I played Crota's End last week with a group from DestinyLFG. One guy kept hitting a bong and leaving his mic on.

I resent the idea that someone taking an undefended base is an idiot.

They're just not strategizing, instead playing in the moment.

It's not that they're stupid, they just don't understand why not taking a certain base can be beneficial, because they never stopped to think about it.

I know I certainly didn't.

Depends. I've gone into team chat to let people know that we should focus on B & C, and have been told to "shut up f*g" or "suck my d*ck," or even just a simple "you don't know what you're doing."

So there are definitely a lot of idiots out there.

I resent the idea that someone taking an undefended base is an idiot.

They're just not strategizing, instead playing in the moment.

It's not that they're stupid, they just don't understand why not taking a certain base can be beneficial, because they never stopped to think about it.

I know I certainly didn't.

I'm fine with that... for beginning players. Even players that have... oh, I dunno, 100 games under their belt.

But folks who are Crucible Rank 3 or 4, who are STILL taking A on Blind Watch? That means they're not even thinking about what they're doing when they play! (There's almost no action that happens around A - so even if you're playing in the moment, you STILL have to run all the way from A to ANYWHERE - and if you do that a dozen times in a game, over 50 or 100 or even more games, and you don't even NOTICE it's happening... you're hurting your team. Badly. )

There's playing in the moment, and there's playing stoned. I'd rather if you're stoned that you watch Netflix instead.

How's that?

I often see people capping A in this fashion when there is a 'capture 10 zones' bounty available. The fact that there are bounties encouraging players to play sub-optimally is what's really idiotic.

That said, that bounty causes some extremely frantic and entertaining games.

I resent the idea that someone taking an undefended base is an idiot.

They're just not strategizing, instead playing in the moment.

It's not that they're stupid, they just don't understand why not taking a certain base can be beneficial, because they never stopped to think about it.

I know I certainly didn't.

I'm fine with that... for beginning players. Even players that have... oh, I dunno, 100 games under their belt.

But folks who are Crucible Rank 3 or 4, who are STILL taking A on Blind Watch? That means they're not even thinking about what they're doing when they play! (There's almost no action that happens around A - so even if you're playing in the moment, you STILL have to run all the way from A to ANYWHERE - and if you do that a dozen times in a game, over 50 or 100 or even more games, and you don't even NOTICE it's happening... you're hurting your team. Badly. )

There's playing in the moment, and there's playing stoned. I'd rather if you're stoned that you watch Netflix instead.

How's that?

They're just not strategizing, instead playing in the moment.

It's not that they're stupid, they just don't understand why not taking a certain base can be beneficial, because they never stopped to think about it.

I know I certainly didn't.

Seriously, the key this time around is to have a fireteam of at least 3 level 30+ players. That alone should carry most games.

But hey, let's get map specific:

Firebase Delphi -> Controlling A leads to Controlling B leads to killing everyone who spawns at C and jumps through the Window of Death.

Blind Watch -> Controlling C leads to Controlling B leads to killing everyone who spawns at A and runs through the Door of Doom. I like to snipe from the heavy ammo spawn at the bottom of the stairs.

Anomaly -> It's a circle. One player should stand on the opposite side of the circle from point B and shoot people who try to take point B. Everyone else should take point B and then at least one of the other two points. B is the key since it has the most access to the rest of the map. It is fully possible to 3-cap this map and run away with the game.

Shores of Time -> When Heavy Ammo is getting ready to spawn, let your opponent take point C. You want to be at point A or point B to get the ammo. At all other times, it doesn't matter as much.

Exodus Blue -> Controlling point C leads to controlling B. C also has superior sniper coverage of the A side spawns. There's a secret path to the A side heavy ammo by running along a pipe on the outside of the map. I use that path a lot to get behind people at A who are waiting for heavy ammo.

Twilight Gap -> Controlling B is key since the other two points are easily exchangeable. If you opponent has B, go get it. Then go back to getting after the other A or C point that you don't have. Note that B is not worth defending from inside the zone - you're much better off shooting people who are trying to take it.

Rusted Lands -> Controlling A and B also controls both heavy ammo spawns. Controlling B and C also controls the easiest paths to defend. Be aware of when heavy ammo will spawn and make sure you control the right bases at the right times.

I probably missed a map or two. Whichever.

I've been occasionally able to hold B by myself as well. I use a shotgun and prefer to stand outside of the cage and actually look through the wiring of the cage to see enemies coming at me from the other side. Provides cover while allowing me to time my attack. It's been pretty effective lately.

The only problem with being anywhere near the cage is you'll usually be on the receiving end of a super/grenade/rocket as the enemy comes in; one of the benefits of the tunnel is you'll get some potshots on your opponent as they come in to the cage, since they'll be looking for you there or to cap, and may not be aware you have line of sight.