I'm just sort of amused that while I'm still working on max-upgrading my FIRST set of Legendary/Exotic weapons, many people seem to have a closet full.

Heh... I can see why you'd feel that way... Though like 90% of the stuff that I use is stuff that I either bought from the Vanguard (I have the entire Legendary weapon set, and it all gets heavy use), or that I got from the raid, so while RNG has been very kind to me, most of that stuff just sits in my vault. That spare Gjallarhorn might see some use if I ever get my other Warlock to 20, but it's pretty much the only RNG drop that will see any significant use...

If people played about three hours a week on the Strike playlist (which isn't really a whole lot), they'd have about 900 Vanguard Marks by now, so it's surprising that some people don't have enough to get anything from the Vanguard at this point...

If only we could trade items... Don't see why we can't, if we never have the "earned" feeling that we were promised...

Heh - I'm pretty sure that every single run I've done with randoms has included at least one guy trying the walker 'cheese' offering and getting blasted by the walker's laser gun. It's a near-guarantee. ;) (There's also a Captain-led group of Fallen that spawns just to the right of the building - so right in front of the entrance - who will kick your ass if you're scoped in and not paying attention there.)

Not the building when you enter that area. Standing on top of it will trigger the capitan and vandal to spawn. He means stopping as soon as you enter the area and sniping from there, particularly with ice breaker. The Devil Walker will not shoot back there and nothing spawns.

Alternatively, you can turn left as soon as you enter the area and jump on top of the low building with the solar panels on top. As long as you stay behind the air conditioning units on the roof he will not shoot back there. You can kill him and everything else without a single shot fired at you.

Indeed. To the right directly from the wide door where you enter, there's a pipe you can stand on up the wall as well. Nothing will spawn and nothing will shoot you. At Sepkis, if you don't go down the stairs, the only way to die is if you go down the stairs, or stand too close to the window.

Though to be fair, my definition of cheese is any way to avoid the majority of combat from the ads that attack. I really appreciate that bungie tried to build in enemies that spawn to prevent cheesing (if you stand in the entry to Sepkis, for instance, two reaver vandals and a captain spawn from that left stairwell at intervals until you leave the foyer, so to speak).

It's not even really a complaint - I'm actually just fine with what I DO have. I'm just sort of amused that while I'm still working on max-upgrading my FIRST set of Legendary/Exotic weapons, many people seem to have a closet full.

That's just what you get with games like this.

I would much rather have had all these tools at everyone's disposal, and had player skill and ingenuity in using them be the factor in success. The idea that 'exotics should be rare' is only good for the egos of players with one; it's not good for the game design. It hurts when influential folks like Datto talk about how to 'fix' exotics, while starting with the very flawed premise that not everyone should have them.

Also in truth, max upgrading beyond getting the perks is only necessary on the hard mode Vault of Glass, and Solo Nightfall.

I get that the game's been out for two months now, and I get that the average hard-core player is putting in 3 hours a day (so 200 hours is AVERAGE), so maybe it's just that my 100 in-game hours isn't enough to have this astounding arsenal at my disposal... but geez.

It's like you guys have a secret stash of weapons, or maybe coins, or something, that I just haven't found yet.

Take it up with Bungie for putting in a shit investment system, then tying your ability to perform to it.

FYI, nothing I've used to do nightfall strikes and the raid except The Calming, Atheon's Epilogue, and Patience and Time have been drops. I've bought everything else. I've only gotten 3 exotics from drops, and none of those are that useful PvE. I have really bad luck with drops and have pretty much no raid weapons.

You don't build the majority of your arsenal from the RNG. At least the coin / marks part of the shit investment system is under your control, so utilize this to gain the weapons you want.

I didn't even mean that my LUCK was worse - I play plenty, it feels like, but I don't earn enough coins (or vanguard marks) to buy the arsenal you obviously have.

It's not even really a complaint - I'm actually just fine with what I DO have. I'm just sort of amused that while I'm still working on max-upgrading my FIRST set of Legendary/Exotic weapons, many people seem to have a closet full.

I get that the game's been out for two months now, and I get that the average hard-core player is putting in 3 hours a day (so 200 hours is AVERAGE), so maybe it's just that my 100 in-game hours isn't enough to have this astounding arsenal at my disposal... but geez.

It's like you guys have a secret stash of weapons, or maybe coins, or something, that I just haven't found yet.

Take it up with Bungie for putting in a shit investment system, then tying your ability to perform to it.

FYI, nothing I've used to do nightfall strikes and the raid except The Calming, Atheon's Epilogue, and Patience and Time have been drops. I've bought everything else. I've only gotten 3 exotics from drops, and none of those are that useful PvE. I have really bad luck with drops and have pretty much no raid weapons.

You don't build the majority of your arsenal from the RNG. At least the coin / marks part of the shit investment system is under your control, so utilize this to gain the weapons you want. Even infrequent play should have netted you 150 vanguard marks by now to buy a weapon with.

I get that the game's been out for two months now, and I get that the average hard-core player is putting in 3 hours a day (so 200 hours is AVERAGE), so maybe it's just that my 100 in-game hours isn't enough to have this astounding arsenal at my disposal... but geez.

Holy shit; I've only put in around 180 hours.

No wonder some people are saying they're swimming in shards when they've put in literal days more play than me.

Heh - I'm pretty sure that every single run I've done with randoms has included at least one guy trying the walker 'cheese' offering and getting blasted by the walker's laser gun. It's a near-guarantee. ;) (There's also a Captain-led group of Fallen that spawns just to the right of the building - so right in front of the entrance - who will kick your ass if you're scoped in and not paying attention there.)

Not the building when you enter that area. Standing on top of it will trigger the capitan and vandal to spawn. He means stopping as soon as you enter the area and sniping from there, particularly with ice breaker. The Devil Walker will not shoot back there and nothing spawns.

Alternatively, you can turn left as soon as you enter the area and jump on top of the low building with the solar panels on top. As long as you stay behind the air conditioning units on the roof he will not shoot back there. You can kill him and everything else without a single shot fired at you.

Just convert your glimmer into Special Ammo synthesis and use a nice Arc damage sniper. One shotting Captains and two shotting Minotaur is nice!

This sort of post (and there have been lots - there was even a 'what's your favorite weapon?' thread where EVERY post was of this sort) surprises me. I have ONE good weapon of each class. (Well, maybe 2 for regular weapons.) The idea that I might have a pool of a half-dozen fully-upgraded snipers to choose from, covering every damage type... well, it's sort of funny.

I get that the game's been out for two months now, and I get that the average hard-core player is putting in 3 hours a day (so 200 hours is AVERAGE), so maybe it's just that my 100 in-game hours isn't enough to have this astounding arsenal at my disposal... but geez.

It's like you guys have a secret stash of weapons, or maybe coins, or something, that I just haven't found yet.

Three waves part: go to the back area where the hive come in that leads down to the grotto (it's a big green tunnel), no one will come down there and you can snipe in peace.

Walker: stay at the entrance to the clearing and snipe in peace.

Sepkis: enter and immediately turn left to enter that stairwell, where no one will enter and you can snipe in peace.

I think the last time I did that Sepkis nightfall I never took damage. It was a little disappointing.

Heh - I'm pretty sure that every single run I've done with randoms has included at least one guy trying the walker 'cheese' offering and getting blasted by the walker's laser gun. It's a near-guarantee. ;) (There's also a Captain-led group of Fallen that spawns just to the right of the building - so right in front of the entrance - who will kick your ass if you're scoped in and not paying attention there.)

The final room, too... I've run into that stairwell to recover, only to be blasted by stuff coming up from underneath. I think your 'cheese' areas have just been really lucky for you (or really UNlucky for me).

Totally agree with the green tunnel, though; it's saved my bacon more than once. (Sometimes I get killed GETTING there, and you WILL be sniped by the invisiVandal on the platform if you aren't careful - but it's as close to 'safe' as anything gets.)

Hey, there you go. And you got to see me repeat my utter fail at killing the Archon Priest. ;)

Honestly made the whole thing worth doing twice in a row. FALCON PUUUU-oh god damnit.

Was going to jump on with Chaos around 5:30pst if you're down.

Good games last night! Looks like you're excited about that MIDA Multi-Tool. :)

God my mic sucks. I actually already have a MMT! I do reallllly need energy at the moment, so I'll take what I can get.

Hey, there you go. And you got to see me repeat my utter fail at killing the Archon Priest. ;)

Was going to jump on with Chaos around 5:30pst if you're down.

Good games last night! Looks like you're excited about that MIDA Multi-Tool. :)

God my mic sucks. I actually already have a MMT! I do reallllly need energy at the moment, so I'll take what I can get.

Walker: stay at the entrance to the clearing and snipe in peace.

Sepkis: enter and immediately turn left to enter that stairwell, where no one will enter and you can snipe in peace.

I think the last time I did that Sepkis nightfall I never took damage. It was a little disappointing.