I'll just say this: Though my time is limited in crucible, I can't recall a single instance of running into another player where I could detect they were chasing a bounty and it was harming my team or the other team.

I agree. In the limited time I've spent in crucible, most players just seem to be having fun trying to win. I don't think this is a thing that's breaking the game. That being said, I feel like bounties that encourage just playing however you normally do (kills, wins, etc.) would be preferable to those that encourage doing weird things. Only in crucible/IB, that is - in PvE, sure, anything goes.

All I ever see are blade dancers and ARs.

Oddly enough, I haven't seen many blade dancers. The super that kills me the most is definitely Fist of Havoc. Also, I'm surprised how infrequently I get hit with Golden Gun. I expected that one to be the go-to for competitive MP. Definitely agree on the ARs, though. I'm looking forward to the weapon balance tweaks.

MP bounties are supposed to be more of those little rewards for doing things you're already doing, such as kill 20 titans (Though I never run into any other titans other than me).

Yeah, definitely. Unfortunately not everyone has the discipline to do that. There are some players who, if there's a bounty for something, will only do that thing until the bounty's done. It sucks that you can't trust randoms to not bring you down, but... well, we are talking about random matchmade players after all.

shoutguns

Fus-Roh-BOOM?

I would never pick up a bounty for handcannon head shots because I hardly use those weapons.

Blasphemer! Kill the heretic!

But I don't think it can be argued that they are at the expense of other players, because the very nature of MP is me kicking your ass, at your expense.

If we're on opposite teams, yes.

Also, you forgot the part where I punch my coffee table, storm off, and go get a snack. Which is largely the reason I don't do much PvP.

When I see a bounty for shoutguns, I pick it up, as my personal play style is centered around that, so I should pick it up without going out of my way.

I want a shoutgun!

Me: [Pulls trigger] WAHOO!

Rev: Hey, dude, why are you using the shoutgun? I'm standing right here.

;)

When are you going to deign to play with me, Rev?

I think yesterday was the first time I saw you on PS4, ever, and ws also bad timing. I had limited time and some goals to complete. There will be others, I'm sure.

I must say, that after all the huffing and puffing about what system is better and all that, I'm surprised at how many people didn't migrate to PS4.

Most of my xbox friends that I thought were moving to PS4, surprisingly stayed xbox.

I don't know anyone on my friends list playing exclusively on the PS3, so the Xbox friends across two platforms outnumber the PS4 friends.

I anticipate my time will be more evenly divided. My character ranked quicker on the Xbox, because that's where friends were asking me to play. Then there was the pre-Raid ranking excitement.

By your description, any teammate who goes negative in a game is not playing the game correctly, since it's at your expense...

That's not really the same thing, since it's not being done intentionally.

Losing a game because you were going for sniper kills isn't losing intentionally either.

I got a 16.0 K/D earlier today, but then switched my gear around to level up some stuff that I just got and stopped doing so well (I even went negative in a game or two)... Since I knowingly made myself less efficient, am I intentionally playing at the expense of others, and am I a bad person for doing so?

Cody seems to think so...

Either way, 99% of the time, winning isn't my main objective in a game, having fun is. I could not care less whether my team is doing well or not (and I'm oftentimes the only person on my team who goes positive). I do what I enjoy doing, whether it be mastering the tricky Fusion Rifles, sniping people through walls, or even trying to get killed strategically in order to make great use of my Radiance and send the enemy team into a panic...

I definitely believe in PTFO, though, but like Cody said himself, winning is not the be-all-end-all point of the game. If you're not having fun, who cares if you're winning? Chasing bounties can be fun, so disregard folks who only want you to be playing the game in a way that they approve of...

When I see a bounty for shoutguns, I pick it up, as my personal play style is centered around that, so I should pick it up without going out of my way.

I want a shoutgun!

Me: [Pulls trigger] WAHOO!

Rev: Hey, dude, why are you using the shoutgun? I'm standing right here.

;)

When are you going to deign to play with me, Rev?

I think yesterday was the first time I saw you on PS4, ever, and ws also bad timing. I had limited time and some goals to complete. There will be others, I'm sure.

I must say, that after all the huffing and puffing about what system is better and all that, I'm surprised at how many people didn't migrate to PS4.

Most of my xbox friends that I thought were moving to PS4, surprisingly stayed xbox.

shoutguns,

I wish this was a real thing.

You've met Paddy, right?

When I see a bounty for shoutguns, I pick it up, as my personal play style is centered around that, so I should pick it up without going out of my way.

I want a shoutgun!

Me: [Pulls trigger] WAHOO!

Rev: Hey, dude, why are you using the shoutgun? I'm standing right here.

;)

When are you going to deign to play with me, Rev?

shoutguns,

I wish this was a real thing.

If people want to look for faults, they're gonna find them.

Stay tuned. I found an earth shattering fault last night that has totally destroyed my faith in everything. I was devastated. I'll write it all up later, when I can do it with dry eyes.

If people chase bounties as something they have to do, they are gonna have a bad time.

Yeah, I agree with you here, and that's why I haven't played much Iron Banner. The bounties are usually ridiculous things like Get 30 Machine Gun Headshots. Which, while doable, would most likely take me 3-4 days to complete at the normal pace I play Crucible, and without those bounties it takes a long time to level up in Iron Banner. I COULD probably finish it in an hour or two, but it would be playing in a way I don't find enjoyable.

Ummm... I don't think Cody's issue here is necessarily what he personally will do with the bounties.

Er, you're right. This is what I get for trying to work-work and slack-work at the same time.

I'll just say this: Though my time is limited in crucible, I can't recall a single instance of running into another player where I could detect they were chasing a bounty and it was harming my team or the other team.

All I ever see are blade dancers and ARs.

MP bounties are supposed to be more of those little rewards for doing things you're already doing, such as kill 20 titans (Though I never run into any other titans other than me).

When I see a bounty for shoutguns, I pick it up, as my personal play style is centered around that, so I should pick it up without going out of my way.

I would never pick up a bounty for handcannon head shots because I hardly use those weapons.

If people chase bounties as something they have to do, they are gonna have a bad time.

But I don't think it can be argued that they are at the expense of other players, because the very nature of MP is me kicking your ass, at your expense.

If it really is that big of a deal, then we're just going to end up with a diluted MP space like the hey-dey of Halo 2 and 3. BR starts all the time on lockout is boring. Smash Bro games on final destination with no items is boring.

Maybe Iron Banner is supposed to scratch that competitive itch.

Variety keeps things interesting and encourages people to play the game in a manner they might not have before.

IDK.

If people want to look for faults, they're gonna find them.

I do know this: the game has barely been out a month at this point.

By your description, any teammate who goes negative in a game is not playing the game correctly, since it's at your expense...

That's not really the same thing, since it's not being done intentionally.

I only pick bounties that I know I will get just for playing, if they are convenient for what I was doing or that fit my style. (Complete a strike without dying + earn 9000xp without dying)

I only pickup crucible bounties if I have an exotic bounty that requires me to go there or if my friends need help with their bounties.

The crucible is shit to me, and the only joy I have is sprinting around as a Titan and shoulder charging into people.

More often than not though I see people throw them, miss, then die. For most people I think one of the other grenade would be a better option. If you've figured them out though that's great. :) Also, pro tip: you can shoot those tripmine grenades to get rid of them early.

Yeah, the real trick to them is basically RARELY throw them at people. They do stick, but they do not assist you at all, so the majority of the time you will miss unless they are right in your face. I'm with bluerunner though, they are amazing if you know where to stick them. On Firebase Delphi I always sprint to B just to chuck a tripmine on the back wall. I average more than one kill on that tactic.

Stick them to heavy ammo containers :-) Wait, then grab the ammo when your opponent dies.

More often than not though I see people throw them, miss, then die. For most people I think one of the other grenade would be a better option. If you've figured them out though that's great. :) Also, pro tip: you can shoot those tripmine grenades to get rid of them early.

Yeah, the real trick to them is basically RARELY throw them at people. They do stick, but they do not assist you at all, so the majority of the time you will miss unless they are right in your face. I'm with bluerunner though, they are amazing if you know where to stick them. On Firebase Delphi I always sprint to B just to chuck a tripmine on the back wall. I average more than one kill on that tactic.

You know the 'Circle of Bones' hall in the Hellmouth?

Yeah, Bungie totally plagiarized my interior decorating motif; pretty much wholly ripped off my entryway and guest bathroom, hanging meat hooks and everything.

gosh those jerks it took you forever to find just the right ones too jeeze