Not for the advertising as brainwashing, but for the proposal he's pushing. You don't need undercover soldiers in schools.

Exactly. The stuff he's pushing on military types is the real horror.

This guy is trying to help sell wars. I suspect his games have helped prepare the ground.

God, everything about it looked amazing. Everything about it played like drab phoned in schlock. I finished it, but in the post halo world it just wasn't enough.

Though I feel the same way about Borderlands and plenty of people smarter and cooler than me think otherwise (A game whose setting, writing and concept I love, but whose moment to moment gun play I abhor).

One exception: another Bioshock game set in Rapture. You wouldn't even have to say "Would you kindly?"

I will profess a weakness for indie science fiction games. Something, anything to capture that old Homeworld feel, or remind me what it was like to play StarCraft the first time around. Even if it's just a retro-futuristic tower defense game, I'm interested.

Yeah, but how do you know if you yourself actually loves something if you're brainwashed? :P

If I may wax philosophical, I feel that if I'm manipulated into feelings, they are still my feelings. One can't draw a line between their "real selves" and outside influence, I said as much when Cody was on about "the Matrix" some time ago. (For clarity, I know you were joking.)

On another note, seconding the welcome.

Someone can call me brainwashed for loving a game, and who's ultimately better off? Me. I have more forms of enjoyment than they do.

Yeah, but how do you know if you yourself actually loves something if you're brainwashed? :P

Anyhoo, welcome to DBO, newcomer! :)

Destiny tested whether I was a Halo fangirl or a Bungie fangirl too.

Destiny tested whether Bungie was still a premiere game developer and a driver of the industry. They are not.

Perhaps not with Destiny, but I still believe they are and can be going into the future. Whether that's just the fan talking or pure hope, I know they have it in themselves to make the best possible game that fulfills all promises to themselves and their fans.

Not with everybody gone. Unless they find talent elsewhere, and talent that meshes, it's over.

Someone can call me brainwashed for loving a game, and who's ultimately better off? Me. I have more forms of enjoyment than they do.

It isn't like a matter of morality. It's a game.

Destiny tested whether I was a Halo fangirl or a Bungie fangirl too.

Destiny tested whether Bungie was still a premiere game developer and a driver of the industry. They are not.

Perhaps not with Destiny, but I still believe they are and can be going into the future. Whether that's just the fan talking or pure hope, I know they have it in themselves to make the best possible game that fulfills all promises to themselves and their fans.

Destiny tested whether I was a Halo fangirl or a Bungie fangirl too.

Destiny tested whether Bungie was still a premiere game developer and a driver of the industry. They are not.

"We do all the things we can to essentially brainwash people into liking it before it actually comes out." Former Call of Duty director Dave Anthony.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-03-us-military-can-learn-from-game-marketing-says-ex-call-of-duty-director

Discuss amongst yourselves why you're the one who's not brainwashed, its just those other people that are.

I would, but that's clearly what you want me to do, you manipulator you... unless you're using reverse psychology... bah, can't win.

As it came closer and closer to launch I started getting more and more skeptical, but I was banking a lot on my prior experiences with Bungie.

Destiny tested whether I was a Halo fangirl or a Bungie fangirl too. The beta assured me that the latter was true. Like Halo, it left me wanting more and more. The full game has left me doubting if I was as much of a Bungie fan as I thought I was. Destiny really disappointed me. Worse, some of the things I've heard, both blatantly public and otherwise, has left me with a view of Bungie that's less than ideal.

I think this is the last game I'll ever buy at launch. I've been burned by enough of my favorite companies and franchises, everyone's got to earn my sale from now on.

Even though I too have been burned by a lot of my favorite series and devs, I don't think that this will be the last game I'll buy at launch because I'm a sucker like that. Even their faults, Mass Effect 3 and Halo 4, two notable games that have disappointed me, still had solid experiences throughout. Their stories, to a point, were enjoyable, and the gameplay was exciting. But Destiny will surely be the last game I put a lot of faith in for a new IP to the extent that I invested in it. It just feels so incomplete and not even the totally polished aspects can overshadow the lackluster ones.