If we'd known extinction was coming we'd have built fortresses on other worlds instead of cities and academies.

Very irresponsible of the Traveller; it had an ethical obligation to warn us so not just irresponsible: unethical! Nice to know what sort of entity we are dealing with.

3. In the Golden Age we had already built Warminds. We already had solar system patrols ready to engage enemies. I don't see the Golden Age as an age of militarization but its clear it also wasn't a Star Trek utopia. The interesting question is why have these things? The Traveler is said to have shared knowledge with Humanity. Could it have told us of the Darkness?

Do we have any evidence that the Traveller actually spoke with Humanity? Perhaps we learned technologies from the Traveller simply by the fact that the Traveller existed or from creations of the Traveller like the Ghosts? In which case we couldn't have known about the darkness until it was too late.

Just to return to this, I found the evidence by accident tonight. Some guy named Jason Jones said this during an interview:

We don’t know if the Traveler was a ship, or a god, or a moon, or whatever, but we know this thing came and we know that it settled on Mars and that it began to share its amazing technology with us, and a city grew up around it, and all this.

Links to goodreads:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7235533-the-way-of-kings?from_search=true
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17332218-words-of-radiance?from_search=true

Both books are 1000+ pages. Although a few of those pages are drawings. I actually really like the drawings because they help me to imagine what the world looks like.

And even though they are 1000+ pages, the reads are significantly easier than say Wheel of Time. For example as opposed to the many many main characters and 100's of supporting characters, Way of Kings and Words of Radiance (known as the Stormlight Archives) has 3 main characters and maybe two dozen supporting characters.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7235533-the-way-of-kings?from_search=true
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17332218-words-of-radiance?from_search=true

Both books are 1000+ pages. Although a few of those pages are drawings. I actually really like the drawings because they help me to imagine what the world looks like.

I hope we actually get that at some point, either through the game or through novels or something. I hope BUNGIE doesn't leave us in the dark about canon and context forever.

I've heard several of the developers mention in videos that learning more about the Collapse will be a significant part of what we do as Guardians, so I'm not too concerned they'll leave us out in the cold there. I do expect, though, that we won't necessarily learn a whole lot in this first installment of the game -- and I'm perfectly okay with that. :)

Agreed. I apologize. I take some pride in trying to be logical and rational so your statement hit me in a rough spot.

Heh, I don't generally run around with sharp sticks. Really! :)

And yes, that is the point I was getting at. They could have both been Guardians but it is an issue of semantics.

I'm actually really curious to learn more about the chronology of the Guardians, both just before the Collapse and then again just after. Should be fun to turn over some of those stones.

And yes, that is the point I was getting at. They could have both been Guardians but it is an issue of semantics.

Cool.

I'm not trying to use logic for this. This isn't a matter of logic but of how BUNGIE is putting together a fake universe. Don't insult me passive aggressively.

All I am saying is that if there were "Guardians" BEFORE the city and the Guardians that exists now are "The Guardians of the City" then one could say that they are two separate entities, even if the members of each group are exactly the same.

You have access to the same information about DESTINY that I do, so don't insult my intelligence. After all, all that we are doing here is speculating.

No need to get prickly. I really wasn't trying to be at all insulting. (Damn the lack of intonation in text!) :)

That said, I kind of see the point you were driving at with your fourth point. It's essentially an issue of semantics. Without a City to guard, there could be no Guardians, at least not of the City. They were certainly still Guardians, however, as defenders of humanity.

All I am saying is that if there were "Guardians" BEFORE the city and the Guardians that exists now are "The Guardians of the City" then one could say that they are two separate entities, even if the members of each group are exactly the same.

You have access to the same information about DESTINY that I do, so don't insult my intelligence. After all, all that we are doing here is speculating.

And yes... Humanity had to scramble for an old copy of Stuffit Expander :p