I got through the story in ToO, but not done any of the adventures or whatever comes after that. I did some Raid Lair stuff, but have not had time to go back after that first night with the blind group.

• Start at your cranium, pushers should pick them up together to start encounter
  
• Wait for the call out
  
• Take your cranium to the elemental platform you're responsible for (left, right or center)
  
• Charge your cranium and kill enemies
  
• Is your charge location the platform Argos is facing?
  No: Continue killing enemies until all local craniums are charged, then leave for the DPS platform together
  Yes: Continue killing enemies until the pusher countdown begins.
  
• Call out "left/center/right here" when you're at the DPS platform with either a charged cranium in-hand or in front of you
  
• Wait for the "3,2,1 push" callout. If your cranium is charging at the DPS plate, pick it up on "3" and be aimed and ready to fire on "push"
  
• (Sparks are pushed, shield drops)
  
• Are you a warlock?
  Yes: Drop your cranium, create an empowering rift, and pick up your cranium
  
• Are you a Titan?
  Yes: Drop your cranium, create a rally barrier in front of the rift, and pick up your cranium
  
• When the shield drops, step into the rift and empty your remaining cranium ammo at Argo's head
  
• Wait for the Net and dodge if necessary
  
• Are you a hunter?
  Yes: Fire your golden gun, then switch to rockets
  
• Are you a Titan?
  Yes: Throw your (upper tier) hammers, then switch to rockets
  
• Are you a Warlock?
  Yes: Look for the Minotaur that snuck up on everyone and kill it. Switch to rockets
  
• Dodge the second net
  
• Shoot the harpy missiles
  
• Clear adds
  
• Get in position to jump for the wipe mechanic platforms
  
• After the wipe mechanic, return to your cranium spawn point and repeat form the top.

• Start on an elemental platform
  
• Is Argos facing me?
  Yes: Call out spark locations left to right, clear a few enemies, and grab your cranium
  No: Clear a few enemies, grab your cranium after the call out
  
• Go to your assigned charge location
  
• Charge your cranium and kill enemies
  
• Is your charge location the platform Argos is facing?
  No: Continue killing enemies until all local craniums are charged, then leave for the DPS platform together
  Yes: Continue killing enemies until the pusher countdown begins. Grab your cranium as the push is happening.
  
• (Sparks are pushed, shield drops)
  
• Are you a warlock?
  Yes: Drop your cranium, create an empowering rift, and pick up your cranium
  
• Are you a Titan?
  Yes: Drop your cranium, create a rally barrier in front of the rift, and pick up your cranium
  
• When the shield drops, step into the rift and fire briefly at Argo's head
  
• Wait for the Net and dodge if necessary
  
• Continue firing your cranium from the rift until it is empty
  
• Are you a hunter?
  Yes: Fire your golden gun, then switch to rockets
  
• Are you a Titan?
  Yes: Throw your (upper tier) hammers, then switch to rockets
  
• Are you a Warlock?
  Yes: Look for the Minotaur that snuck up on everyone and kill it. Switch to rockets
  
• Dodge the second net
  
• Shoot the harpy missiles
  
• Clear adds
  
• Get in position to jump for the wipe mechanic platforms
  
• After the wipe mechanic, return to your starting platform, kill enemies and repeat form the top.

Our problem was that we had the three 'dps' team members all stay on the damage platform, and the 'pusher' team hand all the cranium charging.

Your way makes complete sense.

We are gonna do it tonight for sure.

Excellent write-up, Claude!

I'll try to clarify briefly since there seems to still be some confusion regarding the cranium handling just before the pushers start.

While all 6 guardians will each charge and use a cranium every DPS round, the "pusher" team gets priority on platform selection for their charging. As Claude described, each pusher must charge their cranium to match the elemental spark they're responsible for. If the call out is "Arc, Solar, Solar on Void platform", the person pushing the left spark must charge at Arc, and the people pushing center and right must charge at solar.

With the pusher charge locations dictated by the game's RNG, the DPS team must charge their craniums in the remaining locations, starting with any open charging areas at the elemental platform Argos is facing. Once all three charging locations in front of Argos are filled, any DPS team member(s) still needing a charge should go to another occupied elemental platform. The goal is to ensure that all three charge locations in front of Argos are filled (by either pushers or DPSers), and that there are 2 or three guardians together on another plate.

Wherever craniums are charging, their bearers should be clearing local enemies. For the platform facing Argos where everyone will gather during the DPS phase, there should be three people on ad control. Guardians charging craniums at other platforms should stay together to help each other on ad control. They should leave for the DPS platform as a group. The pusher team should call out when they're at the DPS platform and ready - a simple "left here", "center here", "right here" is enough to ensure that once the current wave of adds are down, it's safe to begin DPS. Try to make sure all Minotaurs are gone before starting.

The three guardians charging at the Argos-facing platform should be killing enemies until the last possible moment. If they are pushers, they should pick up their cranium once the "3, 2, 1, push" countdown begins. If they are DPSers, they can wait until after the shield drops to pick up their cranium.

The pushers will have 5-15 shots remaining in their cranium after the push, they should empty them at Argos before shifting to golden gun/hammers/rockets. The DPSers will have a full cranium and should use it first. An empowering rift can significantly increase the team's damage if all cranium shots at Argos are made within it (after his shield is dropped). During the DPS phase, remember that it's faster and safer to stop shooting and dodge the incoming nets rather than get caught up in them - watch his head, be ready, and MOVE if he's looking at you when he fires it. Also remember that there will be a wave of incoming "missile" harpies towards the end.

Speaking as a Lair "quarterback", the directions for the DPS team reduce to following two rules in turn. The pushers will go where they're needed, so you only need to assign the 3 DPS people based on the initial callout. The rules are simple:

• If there are unused charge locations on the DPS platform send one or more DPSers there until all three are occupied.
  
• If there are still unassigned DPSers, assign them to a plate where at least one pusher is charging so they can help each other.

Bungie just wants to drive everything through eververse. until that changes, I probably won't be on much.

I know this is an exaggeration but what do you think actually goes through Eververse?

I personally can think of two things that do this:
1. The Dawning (which afaik has been the case since D1)
2. Experience engrams

I get this feeling that people think that Eververse is taking over D2 or something. I know it's because of Microtransactions and all that, so if anything goes through her then it feels like Bungie is stabbing you in the back. I can understand peoples feelings about MT, but to say that there is some slow creeping conspiracy by Bungie to make all pathways lead to Eververse is taking it a little far don't you think?

Again, correct me if I'm wrong on my facts because I'm basing this on memory and mine isn't the best.

All ghost shells, sparrows, and ships for one thing. There are no raid sparrows/ships/ghosts.

I can totally understand that because it's basically extras, not terribly important stuff.

The best looking armor is generally found in Eververse.

That's purely opinion, I for one have yet to find a single piece of armor I like. And the vast majority of armor is elsewhere.

In D1 Eververse started out as just a place to buy emotes, and it gradually got worse.

I never understood this. Every vendor has evolved since the start of D1! Has it gotten worse because the Vanguard vendors changed? How about the gunsmith? I really want to know why it's so bad.

Most of the new gear released in CoO is locked behind Eververse.

You do realize that every piece of gear is locked behind something right? And to say that most of the gear is locked behind Eververse is not true. Last I checked, it was something like 1/3 or something, and half of that was Emotes. Either way, everything is locked behind something. Eververse is locked behind playing the game. Let me say this again, anything you do in destiny gets you experience, which gives you stuff from eververse. Which means, eververse gear takes the least effort to get.

The whole purpose of "seasons" is to entice people to spend money on the things they couldn't get thru engrams before they go away "forever."

Maybe to you. If you want to see it that negatively. I see it as a coming and a going. A mark in time. Gives meaning to the items you acquired past even how you acquired them. I understand that getting rid of items so people grind/pay for them sounds evil. But it's also on the people who are willing to pay and believe they need those items.

They purposely jacked with the XP system to drive people to eververse.

Go on... Giving people engrams for gaining experience is a great way to open up those emotes that Eververse was originally selling only for money. The idea that you think there is some grand conspiracy/money grab....

Bungie is not Bungie anymore. I'm done trusting them with my money and my time. I'll play through the next DLC, b/c i was a sucker and already paid for it. But the next installment will have to be really groundbreaking with amazing reviews.

And that is your choice. It's sad that it comes to this. I just wish people wouldn't blame Bungie as if they were the mafia who has a nice front business to hide all their shady dealings.

Bungie just wants to drive everything through eververse. until that changes, I probably won't be on much.

I know this is an exaggeration but what do you think actually goes through Eververse?

I personally can think of two things that do this:
1. The Dawning (which afaik has been the case since D1)
2. Experience engrams

I get this feeling that people think that Eververse is taking over D2 or something. I know it's because of Microtransactions and all that, so if anything goes through her then it feels like Bungie is stabbing you in the back. I can understand peoples feelings about MT, but to say that there is some slow creeping conspiracy by Bungie to make all pathways lead to Eververse is taking it a little far don't you think?

Again, correct me if I'm wrong on my facts because I'm basing this on memory and mine isn't the best.

All ghost shells, sparrows, and ships for one thing. There are no raid sparrows/ships/ghosts. The best looking armor is generally found in Eververse. In D1 Eververse started out as just a place to buy emotes, and it gradually got worse.

Most of the new gear released in CoO is locked behind Eververse.

The whole purpose of "seasons" is to entice people to spend money on the things they couldn't get thru engrams before they go away "forever."

They purposely jacked with the XP system to drive people to eververse.

Bungie is not Bungie anymore. I'm done trusting them with my money and my time. I'll play through the next DLC, b/c i was a sucker and already paid for it. But the next installment will have to be really groundbreaking with amazing reviews.

Try PfhorPlay. :)

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Not what I hear...

Need a third to run with us that doesn't insist on sprinting every encounter.

Ooh... pick me!

Did you get on PS4 and we not know??

Claude does indeed have a character leveled on PS4, and I'm willing to bet it's at a higher power level than yours!

It does take a certain amount of guilting him into firing up the PS4 though...

I was on twice last week. Played alone, because I didn't see anyone on when I started.

(And yeah, my Titan's about 10 levels above Rev's. :) )

Well dang son. I'll check the clan list and add you. Assuming it's your regular name, right?

Yeah... no.

Try PfhorPlay. :)

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There were some weeks in year one Destiny where I touched six characters. Never again!

Need a third to run with us that doesn't insist on sprinting every encounter.

Ooh... pick me!

Did you get on PS4 and we not know??

Claude does indeed have a character leveled on PS4, and I'm willing to bet it's at a higher power level than yours!

It does take a certain amount of guilting him into firing up the PS4 though...

I was on twice last week. Played alone, because I didn't see anyone on when I started.

(And yeah, my Titan's about 10 levels above Rev's. :) )

Well dang son. I'll check the clan list and add you. Assuming it's your regular name, right?

Yeah... no.

Try PfhorPlay. :)

Need a third to run with us that doesn't insist on sprinting every encounter.

Ooh... pick me!

Did you get on PS4 and we not know??

Claude does indeed have a character leveled on PS4, and I'm willing to bet it's at a higher power level than yours!

It does take a certain amount of guilting him into firing up the PS4 though...

I was on twice last week. Played alone, because I didn't see anyone on when I started.

(And yeah, my Titan's about 10 levels above Rev's. :) )

Well dang son. I'll check the clan list and add you. Assuming it's your regular name, right?

Need a third to run with us that doesn't insist on sprinting every encounter.

Ooh... pick me!

Did you get on PS4 and we not know??

Claude does indeed have a character leveled on PS4, and I'm willing to bet it's at a higher power level than yours!

It does take a certain amount of guilting him into firing up the PS4 though...

I was on twice last week. Played alone, because I didn't see anyone on when I started.

(And yeah, my Titan's about 10 levels above Rev's. :) )

Psh, there's no guilt if he wants to play with you

:P

Heh. Touché!

Need a third to run with us that doesn't insist on sprinting every encounter.

Ooh... pick me!

Did you get on PS4 and we not know??

Claude does indeed have a character leveled on PS4, and I'm willing to bet it's at a higher power level than yours!

Most likely, I'm like....312....311.

It does take a certain amount of guilting him into firing up the PS4 though...

Psh, there's no guilt if he wants to play with you

:P

Need a third to run with us that doesn't insist on sprinting every encounter.

Ooh... pick me!

Did you get on PS4 and we not know??

Claude does indeed have a character leveled on PS4, and I'm willing to bet it's at a higher power level than yours!

It does take a certain amount of guilting him into firing up the PS4 though...

Need a third to run with us that doesn't insist on sprinting every encounter.

Ooh... pick me!

Did you get on PS4 and we not know??

Here is where I am confused.

Let's say the DPS side is solar. If there are no solar craniums that need charging, then it makes sense. Just put 3 on solar, then the 'dps' team has their craniums. But what if not?

Let's say there is one solar that needs charging. How do you get 6x craniums? One would need to be charged elsewhere… the craniums vanish when dropped do they not? So how do you get all the DPS craniums to the point while still killing ads?

If it's one solar, two void, the orb team worries about those, and dps team uses the the two spare spots at solar and the one spot at void. You always fill all slots on the DPS side, which means there are always three players waiting for those who can kills adds.

Worst case is solar side, and 3 solars need charging. Explain how to get the other 3 craniums over using your strat. While carrying a cranium, you kind of can't kill anything.

Again, the guns are picked up until adds are relatively clear, so you've got at least three players without guns in their hands killing adds.

Okay. So 3 always charging on the damage platform. So when the last 3 are done, the 'pushers' collect those, and if necessary drop it on the platform for the DPS people? This makes sense now. It clicked. We're gonna get it dude.

Pushers never need to drop anything for DPS people - they're either bringing over their pushing craniums from other platforms, or they're waiting at the DPS platform to pick their cranium up out of the fire when everyone's in position. Unless you've screwed up (maybe someone died while carrying over a cranium, or something), there should NEVER be a need for one team to pass craniums to the other team.

This^. And I meant to say the charged guns ARE NOT picked up until the adds are cleared. Worst case is orb team needs to use all three guns cooking at the DPS side, in which case during the four seconds when the orb team is shooting their orbs, everyone has a gun in their hand can can't kill adds. That would be bad luck.

A big problem of the fight is it seems like there needs to be a lot of communication, and with so much communication comes miscommunication. The beauty of this strategy it requires less communication. The key is the "quarterback," as it's been called here, who can quickly tell the DPS team members what to do.

Key points to help eliminate confusion:

• Everyone is responsible for their own gun.
  
• DPS members cook on their home plate unless there's room on the DPS plate.
  
• If there's one slot for DPS on the DPS plate, the DPS person positioned there charges there. If three's two slots free the DPS member to the right moves clockwise to take the second slot. If there's three free all DPS members charge their guns on the DPS side.