Well, that depends on what you mean by legitimate? I know there are people who say "I want to do X, but I don't have enough space to do that" If X is something Bungie intended for the game to be done, then yes, totally legitimate. I've never argued that people's complaints about the limited storage is baseless. I've argued that either Bungie has never intended the game to be played like that or that to make that change could be very difficult and/or break other mechanics of the game.

So yes, in my opinion, there are definitely people who play Destiny that have legitimate complaints, I don't know if there are enough of those people to prioritize this thing at the top of the feature request list.

Completely fair and reasonable. What are you doing on the internet???

I honestly don't know where that came from. I must have been in a trance or something. I'm usually not this coherent.

I don't care, obviously, as I can fit every weapon/armor piece I've deemed worthy of keeping on 1 character and could during Destiny 1 as well until I decided to get a page full of Khvostovs.

I just don't think we all truly understand the complexity and the game breaking aspects of some of the changes we want. We also might not know the direction of what kind of game Bungie wants Destiny to be.

Up until this point, your argument has been 'Who needs all this stuff?'

Now you're moving the goalposts to 'this stuff is hard to implement.'

I've mostly been all over the place :P debating is hard. Also, implementing stuff could break how they made the game. But generally, yeah.

So so true.

Do you concede that at least some people have legitimate complaints about the limited storage, regardless of difficulty of implementation?

Well, that depends on what you mean by legitimate? I know there are people who say "I want to do X, but I don't have enough space to do that" If X is something Bungie intended for the game to be done, then yes, totally legitimate. I've never argued that people's complaints about the limited storage is baseless. I've argued that either Bungie has never intended the game to be played like that or that to make that change could be very difficult and/or break other mechanics of the game.

So yes, in my opinion, there are definitely people who play Destiny that have legitimate complaints, I don't know if there are enough of those people to prioritize this thing at the top of the feature request list.

Completely fair and reasonable. What are you doing on the internet???

My value is filled with Purple and Exotics (only because they have their ornaments on). They really need to do something about it. They can't keep giving us stuff and not allow us to keep our previous stuff. It's like picking between your 2 kids.

Forcing you to do that is literally the point.

But why? I mean, I know it would be convenient to be able to pull something out that becomes meta down the line, but it's not like it's hard to get a particular weapon unless it's a raid weapon. All the other armor/weapons can be gotten by doing whatever event/planet they originate from.

It's RNG, man. I deleted a Titan mark I didn't want, then later decided I wanted the full set of that armor. That mark didn't drop for me for more than 8 weeks. And I play more than most people here.

Your anecdotal experience is no more valid than mine.

Sorry, I'm not trying to piss you guys off. I'm playing both a devil's advocate because I actually want to know how you guys feel about it and just telling you based off my experience. If I'm going overboard I'm sorry. I just have never experienced what you guys have and a lot of people I play with have not either.

I just don't think we all truly understand the complexity and the game breaking aspects of some of the changes we want. We also might not know the direction of what kind of game Bungie wants Destiny to be.

Up until this point, your argument has been 'Who needs all this stuff?'

Now you're moving the goalposts to 'this stuff is hard to implement.'

I've mostly been all over the place :P debating is hard. Also, implementing stuff could break how they made the game. But generally, yeah.

Do you concede that at least some people have legitimate complaints about the limited storage, regardless of difficulty of implementation?

Well, that depends on what you mean by legitimate? I know there are people who say "I want to do X, but I don't have enough space to do that" If X is something Bungie intended for the game to be done, then yes, totally legitimate. I've never argued that people's complaints about the limited storage is baseless. I've argued that either Bungie has never intended the game to be played like that or that to make that change could be very difficult and/or break other mechanics of the game.

So yes, in my opinion, there are definitely people who play Destiny that have legitimate complaints, I don't know if there are enough of those people to prioritize this thing at the top of the feature request list.

I feel like with Destiny, you HAVE to keep nearly every weapon you get solely for potential PvP usage. weapon tweaks happen so often, and different weapons rise to the top after every update.

Right, I totally get the mindset (even though I don't at all have it). My point is not that it's bad to want it, my point is as I said to unoudid: temper your expectations. It's obviously not a trivial issue to solve or they would already have more space. If it was easy to get double or triple vault space I am positive they already would have done it (or, more likely, launched the game with it). I'm sure if they could they would give us infinite vault space. The truth is most likely it's NOT easy and it's NOT a priority since the vast majority of players don't need more than we currently have. It may suck for that small percentage, and keep asking for it, but temper your expectations accordingly.

I guess my problem is the lack of transparency. When they increased the vault space in Destiny 1, they were super-specific that the new space was as big as they could possibly make it, because of limits imposed by the Xbox and PS3.

We don't have those limits any more, but they haven't made any changes. (In fact, our new, combined Vault is SMALLER than the sum of the separated vaults in D1.)

So you might be right, that it's non-trivial - but they already said once "we would do what you ask, but we can't, because of X", and now X is not a factor. ::shrug:: I guess I'd like a new answer.

But why? I mean, I know it would be convenient to be able to pull something out that becomes meta down the line, but it's not like it's hard to get a particular weapon unless it's a raid weapon. All the other armor/weapons can be gotten by doing whatever event/planet they originate from.

It's RNG, man. I deleted a Titan mark I didn't want, then later decided I wanted the full set of that armor. That mark didn't drop for me for more than 8 weeks. And I play more than most people here.

Your anecdotal experience is no more valid than mine.

My Vault is covered in Shaders that I have 150 of that I will never use. But deleting 150 of them takes like 10 minutes of gameplay. it's just not worth my time.

This to me is a HUGE issue. My shader screen should be at best 50% full, but I let them build up too much and I don't want to take the ridiculous amount of time to delete them now.

I spent 20 minutes deleting extra shaders I had past 15 in a stack on Monday. That shouldn't even be a thing. I should be able to click a stack to sell, move a slider to choose how many to sell, and click x.

I just don't think we all truly understand the complexity and the game breaking aspects of some of the changes we want. We also might not know the direction of what kind of game Bungie wants Destiny to be.

Up until this point, your argument has been 'Who needs all this stuff?'

Now you're moving the goalposts to 'this stuff is hard to implement.'

Do you concede that at least some people have legitimate complaints about the limited storage, regardless of difficulty of implementation?

For a loot based game, it sure is shitty design to limit us the ability to collect loot.

Gotta agree with this.

but that was not how Destiny was designed.

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1. we shouldn't use promotional material as evidence (Activision is watching) (also, this is a joke)

2. Just because a game has a ton of loot, and you can receive it, doesn't mean the game means for you to store every piece as if it was a trophy.

I personally can't think of a loot based game where I every had the ability to do this. The two I think of off the top of my head is Borderlands 2 and Diablo 3. The only game that was came close was The Witcher 3, where you could display your unique (green) witcher armors. And that took a DLC and even then you couldn't display ALL of the specific witcher armors you could find.

Just as an aside, Kingdom of Loathing allows you to not only collect every item in the game, but you can also hold virtually unlimited quantities of said items, and some players have made it their hobby to collect *every* one of a certain item. Plus you can put your entire inventory into storage or your shop, should you so choose.

My Vault is covered in Shaders that I have 150 of that I will never use. But deleting 150 of them takes like 10 minutes of gameplay. it's just not worth my time.

This to me is a HUGE issue. My shader screen should be at best 50% full, but I let them build up too much and I don't want to take the ridiculous amount of time to delete them now.