If anyone is at PlayStation Experience (PSX) and sees Marty there and wants to pass along that there is still a burning question to be answered over at 'deebo', that would be out of this world!

I’m here now. I already saw him and tried Golem, but I’ll try to let him know. I’ll share my thoughts on Golem tonight.

*Sing* "All I want for Christmas is Music of the Spheres"
(it is a little bit clunky, we'll have to send it back to rewrite and workshop it)

Heh, this is starting to feel like the good ol' days. There used to be a group where I answered questions long before reddit.

I have it on good authority, that The Marty Army Lives!

(sorry for the bad phone pic)

"Still alive and well, still alive and well
Every now and then I know it's kinda hard to tell
But I'm still alive and well"

Is there any possibility of you working with Paul McCartney again? You could seriously just do an album with him separate from any associated game project & it would be fantastic. You could do a symphony or a collection of songs based around a particular theme, i.e. summer, winter, forest, desert, etc... I think we would all pay to hear something like that.

Boy I would love that! I think that is a remote possibility. I got a call from Paul shorty after I was fired. He spoke fondly of our working relationship - but I got the impression that he really didn't like how he was treated in the game industry.

I figure, that for sure, Sir Paul was one of the lucky 100 to receive a CD copy of Music of the Spheres? I think it would be just marvelous if he was the fellow to "accidentally" leak it, under the pseudonym 'G. Rasputin'
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Maestro,

Q: How do the Vex communicate with eachother? (The Templar and Oracles in particular come to mind)

A:

:( Sadly, I must have missed the window (or was it a door?) for open questions. Especially going off of this, Thanks and until next time, Reddit comment.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/7h53xe/community_lets_make_it_happen_bungie_please/dqpzmdg/

If anyone is at PlayStation Experience (PSX) and sees Marty there and wants to pass along that there is still a burning question to be answered over at 'deebo', that would be out of this world!

Heh, this is starting to feel like the good ol' days. There used to be a group where I answered questions long before reddit.

I have it on good authority, that The Marty Army Lives!

(sorry for the bad phone pic)

"Still alive and well, still alive and well
Every now and then I know it's kinda hard to tell
But I'm still alive and well"

Is there any possibility of you working with Paul McCartney again? You could seriously just do an album with him separate from any associated game project & it would be fantastic. You could do a symphony or a collection of songs based around a particular theme, i.e. summer, winter, forest, desert, etc... I think we would all pay to hear something like that.

Boy I would love that! I think that is a remote possibility. I got a call from Paul shorty after I was fired. He spoke fondly of our working relationship - but I got the impression that he really didn't like how he was treated in the game industry.

I figure, that for sure, Sir Paul was one of the lucky 100 to receive a CD copy of Music of the Spheres? I think it would be just marvelous if he was the fellow to "accidentally" leak it, under the pseudonym 'G. Rasputin'
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Maestro,

Q: How do the Vex communicate with eachother? (The Templar and Oracles in particular come to mind)

A:

Bungie cares about individual fans. Matt gave the last office copy of Myth to Fobo iirc. They gave that one guy Fate of All Fools. They care about us in the aggregate, posting weekly updates and crap, and always have.

The absolute bottom of their priorities has been that "300 fans" level for...idk, a long ass time.

Probably...the friends and family beta of Halo 3 was the last time they cared at that level? We had a thread on HBO that had like no context and if we posted in it we got a tiny little early access.

I miss the "Friends and Family" Bungie. I had bought Crackdown to ensure I'd get beta access, and then magically a code showed up (in my email? on bungie.net? I don't recall.) and I got to play a little bit early. I got matchmade with Ben Kutchera (when he was @ Ars) and bet him & everyone else up good in a sniper/shotty match on Valhalla. I wanted to join up & play with him but being new to the interface I couldn't figure out how to do it. Later in his review he said:

... I love rocket battles, but Sniper-Shotty matches give me hives.
The press invites and friends and family beta that is going on now is limited; the players are all insanely good

And I felt a little bad about giving him hives. Maybe he's just allergic to dogcows... ;-)

Seems unlikely.

My suspicion is that Activision will have tried to negotiate for ownership of the Destiny IP outright, which would naturally include ownership of any and all audio assets in Bungie's possession.

As far as I know the only way Activision gets the Destiny IP is under very specific circumstances in which Bungie completely fucks up and puts the completion of the game into a 'critical risk' category without a workable mitigation plan, or Bungie goes bankrupt.

There were rumors that Activision would get a sizable chunk of Bungie stock if Des2ny slipped to 2018, but Bungie denies this.

unless Bungie did something really stupid in the meantime

Honestly, it would not surprise me if they have. They may have renegotiated after Destiny 1 failed to meet expectations at release.

No offense meant to Marty, since he’s in the thread, but is really rather doubt that the fate of MOTS was a negotiation point. Neither side is sufficiently interested - in the financial sense. If anything, I would imagine Activision would encourage them to sell anything they own some of the rights to.

1) Was it always the plan to use snippets taken directly from Music of the Spheres in Destiny 1, or was your intention instead to compose wholly original pieces based on the themes and motifs established in MotS?

The plan was to compose a suite of music that would be a stand alone listening experience. It would reflect the universe, lore, and emotions of Destiny. My intent was to arrange and compose new adaptive music to use in the game that was based on that music. Of course if there were places in the game where the original recordings could work that would be acceptable - and some of that had already been implemented by the time I left. What I really objected to was the piecemeal use of the recordings in some marketing material that happened long after we had agreed to release the full version to the fans. The original intention was to have Music of the Spheres released and then use some of those themes in marketing, pr, and the game. That never happened. However, it did happen with Golem - you can get Echoes of the First Dreamer right now!

2) Is there any possibility of you working with Paul McCartney again? You could seriously just do an album with him separate from any associated game project & it would be fantastic. You could do a symphony or a collection of songs based around a particular theme, i.e. summer, winter, forest, desert, etc... I think we would all pay to hear something like that.

Boy I would love that! I think that is a remote possibility. I got a call from Paul shorty after I was fired. He spoke fondly of our working relationship - but I got the impression that he really didn't like how he was treated in the game industry.

3) Have you been keeping up with Bungie's musical output since your departure? I'm not going to ask you to evaluate its quality - I'm honestly just curious if you keep up with it.

No.

4) What was the original ending to Halo 2? :)

Now you've gone too far. Plus, I think I answered this somewhere else.

Do you think if they have waited this long it's because they have no intent to release the music?

I have no clue what Bungie's intentions are.

Do you have hope that these petitions and occasional flares of questioning will lead to a release? Seriously. Like, are you hopeful that we get one soon, or are you more like "well shit, might as well do a petition, not like it could hurt," but have no real hope for the future of its release?

I have hope but no expectations. I didn't start the petition nor did I suggest it. I know that the track record for suppressing art isn't successful so I'm assuming that this music will be heard someday.

Is there a way you could get around this stranglehold Bungie has on the MOTS, like very very closely guiding a fan's recreation, or releasing sheet music of some parts? Considering, famously, 40 of 48 minutes are already out, could you theoretically cut together the 40 minutes of released music in a similar way to how MOTS was conceived?

Theoretically I could do many things. But I have no desire to do more work on something that I already worked on for more than 3 years. That's the work that should be released.

unless Bungie did something really stupid in the meantime

Honestly, it would not surprise me if they have. They may have renegotiated after Destiny 1 failed to meet expectations at release.

I'm really hoping for a release of this thing. Bungie are just being petty and childish for withholding this. I try to avoid negativity, but it's the truth, and bluntly, they could really use the good PR right about now.

I have a couple questions for you, Marty, if you feel comfortable answering them:

1) Was it always the plan to use snippets taken directly from Music of the Spheres in Destiny 1, or was your intention instead to compose wholly original pieces based on the themes and motifs established in MotS?

2) Is there any possibility of you working with Paul McCartney again? You could seriously just do an album with him separate from any associated game project & it would be fantastic. You could do a symphony or a collection of songs based around a particular theme, i.e. summer, winter, forest, desert, etc... I think we would all pay to hear something like that.

3) Have you been keeping up with Bungie's musical output since your departure? I'm not going to ask you to evaluate its quality - I'm honestly just curious if you keep up with it.

4) What was the original ending to Halo 2? :)

Do you have hope that these petitions and occasional flares of questioning will lead to a release? Seriously. Like, are you hopeful that we get one soon, or are you more like "well shit, might as well do a petition, not like it could hurt," but have no real hope for the future of its release?

Is there a way you could get around this stranglehold Bungie has on the MOTS, like very very closely guiding a fan's recreation, or releasing sheet music of some parts? Considering, famously, 40 of 48 minutes are already out, could you theoretically cut together the 40 minutes of released music in a similar way to how MOTS was conceived?

"Do they need you or Paul to agree?" - No. They don't. I agree anyway and as far as I know Paul still wants this released.

"Would they have to pay anything?" - No. It's all been paid for and they can just release it. Digitally would cost them nothing.

"Is there some kind of arcane line in their Activision contract that requires approval of any digital media sold for money" - No. I was on the board and read all the Activision contracts. There was no such language, unless Bungie did something really stupid in the meantime.

"What might be some reasonable reasons Bungie could have for waiting this long?" - That is not a question I can answer. In my opinion, there is NO reasonable reason. However, perhaps Deej could answer this question for you.

I'm here and happy to answer any other questions.

:-)

Well Cody, you might be right, but it still doesn't make sense to me - even using your logic.

Mike Salvatori was one of the three composers of Music of the Spheres.

He's part of the team of composers that did the music for Destiny 2.

Bungie wins.

If Bungie sees it that way, then it may see the light. Let's hope for that.

However, if they see it as being publicly most commonly associated with you and Paul, neither of whom are working on Destiny right now, then it might seen as a distraction moving forward.