Also Failsafe. Oh my god, Failsafe. She's easily my new favorite character, honestly. She strikes a good balance between humor and serious content, for me? I'm relatively easy to please, but while I can get why some people think Cayde never acts like there's any real stakes, and I had one or two moments like that, once you've spent centuries on a random planetoid by yourself with all of your friends dead irreverence just kinda makes sense.

Fun fact: Greg Kirkpatrick invented the term rampancy because he thought 'crazy' or 'insane' was too cliche.

That's cool. I didn't know this. The idea does have a history, though.

Sammy despises the voicework for her, while I'm not a fan of the fact that she is a 1:1 carbon copy of Warframe's Ordis (thousand+ year-old shipboard AI with a split cheerful/sarcastic personality that gives your character a distinct title). Yes, I'm always asking Bungie to learn from DE, but I didn't mean that they should steal their characters wholesale. What's next, a villain driven by jealousy that wants to steal the players' powers for his own twisted use? Oh wait...

I think Failsafe's lines would have worked better if the voice actor had a more naturally sarcastic voice, since it comes off as super-forced.

Okay, normally I would agree with you Korny or at least give you the benefit of the doubt in regards to Warframe (because I hadn't played it).

I put a solid 80-100 hours into it before Destiny 2 came out and so now I understand everything you have said in regards to it. I can now comment :P

While I understand that both AI's have similar cheerful/sarcastic split personalities, they aren't exactly very similar other than that in my mind. One, Failsafe is plot that is integral to the story line. Ordis is your ships malfunctioning AI that quips at you every so often. And if I might say so, Ordis got old fast.

And that would be a fair assessment, if you haven't done any of the game's quests (and people can put hundreds of hours into the game before even doing any of the story quests, so it wouldn't be your fault).
Ordis has a major role in the game, and not just because he's the second character that you meet in the game. He plays a major role in a number of quests (such as The Jordas Precept, and The New Strange) and even has a pretty dark backstory that explains his split personality (he was once known as "The Beast of Bones"), and the damage he has received over time makes it difficult to suppress this persona, which is told through fragments that you find throughout the worlds, so it's not just a gimmick like Failsafe is.

I also don't see how Failsafe as a character is "integral to the story line". She could easily be cut out and her impact on the story can easily be assigned to other things that have nothing to do with her as a character. She essentially just exists as a Faction representative on Nessus, comic relief, and nothing more, which is also another reason that her character just feels forced and poorly implemented. And yeah, I've done the adventure that fleshes her out a little more, but it only serves to make her more of an incidental character than anyone of importance.

As for stealing... I almost laughed when you mentioned that Bungie stole the idea of a split personality AI. You do realize that Bungie basically created and perfected the idea of crazy AI in game plot right?

Crazy AI is one thing, a split friendly/sarcastic personality is another.

Sammy despises the voicework for her, while I'm not a fan of the fact that she is a 1:1 carbon copy of Warframe's Ordis (thousand+ year-old shipboard AI with a split cheerful/sarcastic personality that gives your character a distinct title). Yes, I'm always asking Bungie to learn from DE, but I didn't mean that they should steal their characters wholesale. What's next, a villain driven by jealousy that wants to steal the players' powers for his own twisted use? Oh wait...

I think Failsafe's lines would have worked better if the voice actor had a more naturally sarcastic voice, since it comes off as super-forced.

Okay, normally I would agree with you Korny or at least give you the benefit of the doubt in regards to Warframe (because I hadn't played it).

I put a solid 80-100 hours into it before Destiny 2 came out and so now I understand everything you have said in regards to it. I can now comment :P

While I understand that both AI's have similar cheerful/sarcastic split personalities, they aren't exactly very similar other than that in my mind. One, Failsafe is plot that is integral to the story line. Ordis is your ships malfunctioning AI that quips at you every so often. And if I might say so, Ordis got old fast.

As for stealing... I almost laughed when you mentioned that Bungie stole the idea of a split personality AI. You do realize that Bungie basically created and perfected the idea of crazy AI in game plot right?

Agreed,

Cayde is the only one who repeatedly attempted to take matters into his own hands, even if it cost him.

It cost him an arm, at least for a day.

And I haven't seen anyone mention what he says if you wait around instead of jumping though the teleporter. Everybody gives their inspiring speeches, and after about 30 seconds of awkward silence he says something along the lines of "Well, we had a nice moment, but you kinda let it go on too long and now it's ruined."

Sammy despises the voicework for her, while I'm not a fan of the fact that she is a 1:1 carbon copy of Warframe's Ordis (thousand+ year-old shipboard AI with a split cheerful/sarcastic personality that gives your character a distinct title).

Yeah, but to play Warframe, you'd have to look at it.

I thought she was just robot Tiny Tina.

Cayde is the only one who repeatedly attempted to take matters into his own hands, even if it cost him.

What makes Cayde special other than a penchant for jokes and quips?

When the city fell, Ikora flew off to pout, Zavala wasn't going to do anything without an army at his side, but Cayde was willing to immediately sacrifice himself to kill Ghaul. He was going to teleport straight in and shoot him without having his light. That was a one way trip. Ghaul would be dead, but Cayde would be right in the middle of the Red Legion without a way out or a way to revive. For all his talk, he's the most selfless and brave of the Vanguard.

Failsafe is my favorite new character hands down. Followed by Hawthorne, though she is also a little one-dimensional.

Might even be my favorite character in general. Zavala is the law, Ikora gets the useless bellybutton lint award, and cayde sadly has become the stupid clown.

I miss competent, self-directed NPCs a bit. Mara/Petra/Variks had a bunch of that, as did eris. I can't imagine we are done seeing them.

I'd have been fine with more, honestly. Love Nathan Fillian's voice acting.

The only character I wish there was less of is the rep guy on Io. That whole character is awful and the voice actor is chewing the scenery.

I think Asher has Asperger's or something, which would help explain his quirks (remember that without the Light, Tyra is suffering from memory loss, which may be a sign of degenerative disease that is reversed by the Light, and so the same may be true for Asher).

I was worried Failsafe would annoy me, but she's actually my favorite behind Cayde-6 now. So great!

Sammy despises the voicework for her, while I'm not a fan of the fact that she is a 1:1 carbon copy of Warframe's Ordis (thousand+ year-old shipboard AI with a split cheerful/sarcastic personality that gives your character a distinct title). Yes, I'm always asking Bungie to learn from DE, but I didn't mean that they should steal their characters wholesale. What's next, a villain driven by jealousy that wants to steal the players' powers for his own twisted use? Oh wait...

I think Failsafe's lines would have worked better if the voice actor had a more naturally sarcastic voice, since it comes off as super-forced.

Some of the lines during Failsafe's specific quest are far more natural sounding than the ones during the main plotline of the game. The adventure dialogue is even better. I get the sense that the actor was growing more comfortable with the role as time went on.