I was just assuming you weren't going to play Destiny 2 at all. Destiny 1 had all of the things you hate, I'm not sure why you would expect Destiny 2 to be any different.

Also, I'm just giving you a hard time. I hope you do play Destiny 2, ultimatums or no.

The Beta is free. The Beta surely won't have Eververse. The beta won't have enough of the investment system to have a grind. These are all guesses, but I think they are good ones.

Nothing about the Beta seems objectionable.

Is that real? I played Human Revolution on the Mac and saw no ads during the load screens. That is gross and unacceptable. I am very happy I skipped Mankind Divided if that is happening in addition to the pay to win shit.

If I pay a single cent for a game, ads or anything that takes me out of the game are not allowed. Even things like Daedalic having a button for their Facebook page on the main menu in their newer games crosses the line. It's so simple to not mess this up.

It's a real bummer that I'm never going to get to play Destiny 2 with you.

Why not the Beta?

I'll be on vacation during the beta.

I was just assuming you weren't going to play Destiny 2 at all. Destiny 1 had all of the things you hate, I'm not sure why you would expect Destiny 2 to be any different.

Also, I'm just giving you a hard time. I hope you do play Destiny 2, ultimatums or no.

Is that real? I played Human Revolution on the Mac and saw no ads during the load screens. That is gross and unacceptable. I am very happy I skipped Mankind Divided if that is happening in addition to the pay to win shit.

If I pay a single cent for a game, ads or anything that takes me out of the game are not allowed. Even things like Daedalic having a button for their Facebook page on the main menu in their newer games crosses the line. It's so simple to not mess this up.

It's a real bummer that I'm never going to get to play Destiny 2 with you.

Why not the Beta?

Is that real? I played Human Revolution on the Mac and saw no ads during the load screens. That is gross and unacceptable. I am very happy I skipped Mankind Divided if that is happening in addition to the pay to win shit.

If I pay a single cent for a game, ads or anything that takes me out of the game are not allowed. Even things like Daedalic having a button for their Facebook page on the main menu in their newer games crosses the line. It's so simple to not mess this up.

It's a real bummer that I'm never going to get to play Destiny 2 with you.

If I pay a single cent for a game, ads or anything that takes me out of the game are not allowed. Even things like Daedalic having a button for their Facebook page on the main menu in their newer games crosses the line. It's so simple to not mess this up.

And it's funny that Deus Ex-loving Cody talks about sticking to PC gaming if ads become as annoying on PS4 as Xbone's, when one of the recent Deus Ex games had ads on the loading screens in the PC version:

Wow, and I thought the old One dashboard was bad...

...but every video I find on Youtube of the 2017 xbone dashboard shows a bunch of ads plastered over the right third of the home screen.

Yeah, despite the fanboys trying to sweep it under the rug, Microsoft has a long history of sticking ads on the dashboard.

And the Xbone was always pretty bad about this (there were articles about it from early on). I remember Verizon ads, stupid TV promos, military propaganda, and heck, early on there were video ads.

They've recently been pushing back on the ads, but last time I had an Xbone, they were still there on the main dashboard:

Have they changed? Possibly (though a guide as recent as five months ago gives a list of hoops that you can jump through to get rid of Xbone's ads). Sure sounds like they aren't as in-your-face about it, but those recent pics show that it's still on the first page that you see when you hit the Guide button.

On PS4, you not only have to go out of your way to find them, but as Vortech showed, they're showing you the free PS+ games, or pointing you to the weekly deals. But you never see them when you pull up the dash.

And it's funny that Deus Ex-loving Cody talks about sticking to PC gaming if ads become as annoying on PS4 as Xbone's, when one of the recent Deus Ex games had ads on the loading screens in the PC version:

They're there, but you have to scroll down pretty far.

My point exactly. Since I never scroll down, I never see them. They don't exist as far as I am concerned.

They're there, but you have to scroll down pretty far.

I don't see anything near close to that when I turn on the PS4. It starts in the menu pointed at the last thing I was using, which 99% of the time is the game you were playing.

I've got my Xbox set to open to the TV throughput, but I pretty sure it does essentially the same thing with its recent tiles, which would normally appear.

I don't see anything near close to that when I turn on the PS4. It starts in the menu pointed at the last thing I was using, which 99% of the time is the game you were playing.

There is no reasonable "balance issue" I can think of to prevent people from either using the same characters across Destiny for Windows and Destiny for Xbox.

I thought you were talking about cross playform co-op. As in, simultaneous play with someone on the PC and Xbox. As far as just characters being platform agnostic, this is probably true, although what if things like drop rates were adjusted? Then you could gear up faster on one platform, and transfer to the other. Or maybe certain perk combinations are removed on one platform only. Only thing I can think of that they might object to.

Has that ever happened with Destiny on a single platform?

No, but until now every platform had a controller as input. The keyboard and mouse changes everything. So a perk combination may be fine on XBox, but way overpowered when you have the precision on a PC.

Even if it were true, it means absolutely nothing for PVE.

Besides, isn't Microsoft going to be adding mouse and keyboard support at some point?

There is no reasonable "balance issue" I can think of to prevent people from either using the same characters across Destiny for Windows and Destiny for Xbox.

I thought you were talking about cross playform co-op. As in, simultaneous play with someone on the PC and Xbox. As far as just characters being platform agnostic, this is probably true, although what if things like drop rates were adjusted? Then you could gear up faster on one platform, and transfer to the other. Or maybe certain perk combinations are removed on one platform only. Only thing I can think of that they might object to.

Talking about both.

I can see NO reason whatsoever for not allowing characters to be shared between PC and Xbox Destiny.

I can see precious little justification for not allowing at least some co-op PVE between the two platforms.

Rate drops? Why would Bungie adjust rate drops across platforms? They've struggled for 3 years to balance both PVE and PVP by using the same weapons and stats, and you think they're suddenly going to start changing drop rates on a per-platform basis?

Sounds like a big stretch.

There is no reasonable "balance issue" I can think of to prevent people from either using the same characters across Destiny for Windows and Destiny for Xbox.

I thought you were talking about cross playform co-op. As in, simultaneous play with someone on the PC and Xbox. As far as just characters being platform agnostic, this is probably true, although what if things like drop rates were adjusted? Then you could gear up faster on one platform, and transfer to the other. Or maybe certain perk combinations are removed on one platform only. Only thing I can think of that they might object to.

Has that ever happened with Destiny on a single platform?

No, but until now every platform had a controller as input. The keyboard and mouse changes everything. So a perk combination may be fine on XBox, but way overpowered when you have the precision on a PC.

You're speculating. Even if the perks are different, what makes that different from anything else that isn't available on another platform? If I had an emblem equipped on the 360 that I couldn't access on the Xbone, it just substituted another emblem when I opened the character.

You're implying that there's a difference that gives an advantage. Pure speculation.

There is no reasonable "balance issue" I can think of to prevent people from either using the same characters across Destiny for Windows and Destiny for Xbox.

I thought you were talking about cross playform co-op. As in, simultaneous play with someone on the PC and Xbox. As far as just characters being platform agnostic, this is probably true, although what if things like drop rates were adjusted? Then you could gear up faster on one platform, and transfer to the other. Or maybe certain perk combinations are removed on one platform only. Only thing I can think of that they might object to.

Has that ever happened with Destiny on a single platform?

No, but until now every platform had a controller as input. The keyboard and mouse changes everything. So a perk combination may be fine on XBox, but way overpowered when you have the precision on a PC.