I still have it + the instruction manual/comic-book-magazine thing it came with.

And for a game aimed at kids, the dialogue/acting is waaaaaaaaay better than it has any right to be.

oh, and Lego Racers was also phenomenal.

This is ancient history, but back when I worked on the "Adventures of Lego Island" video game

That's awesome, I spent quite a bit of time playing that game. I think it must have already been older when I got it, because I had Lego Racers first. I hated the driving part, because the controls were clunky compared to Lego Racers and I always got smashed by the giant boulder, but throwing pizzas at the Brickster was hilarious.

I agree, but I'm also sad for our brothers in old consoles who will be getting their game neutered in August.

Me too. As with most, it doesn't affect me, as I've never played on a last-gen console, but it still sucks on principle.

It seems weird to me, too, that they would choose this expansion. It seems like Destiny 2 would be a more natural point to drop support for the old consoles. I imagine it's just about division of labor and resources at this point, and maybe TTK didn't sell all that many copies on old consoles or something.

Probably. I mean, we're a fairly large community, and do you see many active last-gen people here?

I think it's matter of realistic expectations. Everyone knew Destiny was a ten-year game. Did anyone realistically expect it to continue to be supported on last gen for more than a few years?

I assume there are business/financial reasons for this (ditching last gen now, rather than waiting until Des2ny). Releasing any game or expansion on a console brings with it a substantial cost to the developer/publisher. Between licensing & cert, platform-specific development, testing and support, the financial obligation is significant.

I'm sure people at Bungie and Activision looked at TTK sales on 360 and PS3, looked at the current player-base on those platforms, did the math, and realized it just wasn't financially worthwhile to continue supporting the 360 and PS3.

This is ancient history, but back when I worked on the "Adventures of Lego Island" video game, Microsoft paid us extra to develop it just for windows 95 exclusively instead of making it backwards compatible with Windows 3.1. If that sort of strategy was viable way back then, I imagine it could be used today as well. *I have no evidence that this is the case with regards to Destiny*; I'm merely pointing out historic precedent.

Yeah, apparently ~10% of active players are on legacy consoles, so you can definitely see their reason.

I'd love to see the real numbers one day.

I'm sure people at Bungie and Activision looked at TTK sales on 360 and PS3, looked at the current player-base on those platforms, did the math, and realized it just wasn't financially worthwhile to continue supporting the 360 and PS3.

Yeah, apparently ~10% of active players are on legacy consoles, so you can definitely see their reason. And that's not counting the number that may not have bought TTK, estimated drop off rates, or estimated upgrade percentages.

I agree, but I'm also sad for our brothers in old consoles who will be getting their game neutered in August.

Me too. As with most, it doesn't affect me, as I've never played on a last-gen console, but it still sucks on principle.

It seems weird to me, too, that they would choose this expansion. It seems like Destiny 2 would be a more natural point to drop support for the old consoles. I imagine it's just about division of labor and resources at this point, and maybe TTK didn't sell all that many copies on old consoles or something.

Probably. I mean, we're a fairly large community, and do you see many active last-gen people here?

I think it's matter of realistic expectations. Everyone knew Destiny was a ten-year game. Did anyone realistically expect it to continue to be supported on last gen for more than a few years?

I assume there are business/financial reasons for this (ditching last gen now, rather than waiting until Des2ny). Releasing any game or expansion on a console brings with it a substantial cost to the developer/publisher. Between licensing & cert, platform-specific development, testing and support, the financial obligation is significant.

I'm sure people at Bungie and Activision looked at TTK sales on 360 and PS3, looked at the current player-base on those platforms, did the math, and realized it just wasn't financially worthwhile to continue supporting the 360 and PS3.

I agree, but I'm also sad for our brothers in old consoles who will be getting their game neutered in August.

Me too. As with most, it doesn't affect me, as I've never played on a last-gen console, but it still sucks on principle.

It seems weird to me, too, that they would choose this expansion. It seems like Destiny 2 would be a more natural point to drop support for the old consoles. I imagine it's just about division of labor and resources at this point, and maybe TTK didn't sell all that many copies on old consoles or something.

Probably. I mean, we're a fairly large community, and do you see many active last-gen people here?

I think it's matter of realistic expectations. Everyone knew Destiny was a ten-year game. Did anyone realistically expect it to continue to be supported on last gen for more than a few years?

I agree, but I'm also sad for our brothers in old consoles who will be getting their game neutered in August.

Me too. As with most, it doesn't affect me, as I've never played on a last-gen console, but it still sucks on principle.

It seems weird to me, too, that they would choose this expansion. It seems like Destiny 2 would be a more natural point to drop support for the old consoles. I imagine it's just about division of labor and resources at this point, and maybe TTK didn't sell all that many copies on old consoles or something.

I still need them, if you notice this on the old thread.

Then you and I are going in.

I really feel the game was crippled by last gen and spreading developers too thin.

I agree, but I'm also sad for our brothers in old consoles who will be getting their game neutered in August.

I mean it's not like people are all that surprised when parts for their 1998 Buick Century are discontinued.

Does Buick show up at their house and rip parts out of their car when the discontinuation rolls around?

Things work very differently for software licenses versus hardware purchases.

People are always quick to use the car analogy, and I've never actually seen it be anything close to accurate.

Seems accurate to me. The requirements for regular maintenance no longer make sense, so the parts (or the support) stop. I figure that's what is going on here. Either that or they're stopping support so people are forced to buy the New Hotness.

I mean it's not like people are all that surprised when parts for their 1998 Buick Century are discontinued.

Does Buick show up at their house and rip parts out of their car when the discontinuation rolls around?

Things work very differently for software licenses versus hardware purchases.

People are always quick to use the car analogy, and I've never actually seen it be anything close to accurate.

I mean it's not like people are all that surprised when parts for their 1998 Buick Century are discontinued.

Does Buick show up at their house and rip parts out of their car when the discontinuation rolls around?

Things work very differently for software licenses versus hardware purchases.

It feels like something changed and they didn't have the resources to future-proof it.

Kind of all of Destiny feels this way.

Inwould be interested in the more narrow context of such a ruling. However, the key thing about it not being "sold as such" is that it also wasn't not sold as such. Having HoW was access to a living event. In the same way Queen's Wrath was supposed to be the PvE Iron Banner but that's sure gone. And they didn't really try to salvage it, if you ask me.

Yes and no. They sold Destiny has having monthly live events. The first one was Queen's Wrath, which they eventually replaced with Iron Banner. I guess vanilla D wasn't sold with specific monthly events attached, but it was certainly sold with monthly events. HoW was similarly specifically sold with Trials of Osiris. So people who bought both are losing the monthly events they were promised in vanilla (whatsoever those might be), and trials, which they were specifically promised.

I honestly don't know how many people are going to be actually affected by this, but it really offends my sense of what's right and what's wrong.

I'd like this, too - and TTK did a pretty good job with this, but eventually you would reach an "endgame" state. What do you do then to keep the players interested?

You don't. You let the game end, and players move on to something else until the next expansion or release. You don't keep them chasing higher numbers.

I still just don't get it.

I've come to understand that for as much as I love Destiny, I still really wish it was a different game altogether.

No one complained about lacking things to do in Halo Reach. They just kept playing because it was fun, and then when it wasn't they moved on to something else, and that was okay. It's okay in Destiny, too, but not the folks that stick around just complain about how little there is to do. If they just took the stupid level mechanics out of Destiny, it'd immediately be a better game, and people wouldn't feel like they were getting fucked when they played the game for four hours and didn't get the right drops.

The key difference here is how fun the moment to moment gameplay of reach was. The halo games had great variations in AI weapons and tactics with really, really fun vehicles. I said it when destiny came out: The gameplay of destiny has all the feel of a first attempt at what would eventually become Halo. It's just not as good.