A blanket stat like "average K/D per class" doesn't do anything to capture the effectiveness of a given class across the skill-curve of the player base. For example, most mediocre players will do better with a Stormcaller than with a Defender because of the difference in Super abilities alone. It doesn't take much skill to get 3-4 kills per Stormtrance... so 2-3 Supers per game will make a significant bump in a player's average K/D between the 2 classes.

But some classes tend have a slightly more significant skill gap than others when it comes to using them successfully. In the right hands, a Bladedancer can be one of (if not the most) dangerous classes in the game. But it take just the right approach and skill level to use effectively. Same with Striker Titans. Strikers can very easily screw themselves over if they don't use their abilities just right; missing a shoulder charge or Fist of Havoc will make you a sitting duck, Lightning and Blinding grenades have the potential to seriously backfire if you're not careful, etc. But a Striker who really knows what they are doing is a true force to be reckoned with.

By comparison, it is much harder to really screw up with a Gunslinger. Their super doesn't have the same level of risk, their grenades are less likely to backfire, their jumps are easier to control, etc.

So yeah, I don't think stats like average K/D per class really tell the whole story.

This is the kind of problem I have with virtually EVERY "graph argument", in any genre. Politics, science, social ....there's a graph that presents raw data, sometimes there's a trend line drawn on, and conclusions are made based on what serves the party narrative. XY graphs, even XYZ graphs, are almost useless without context or info about other influencers (there are always more than one).

By comparison, it is much harder to really screw up with a Gunslinger.

This explains my class of choice for PvP!

Complete vindication that hunters were stupidly overpowered in the crucible.

Time to buff defenders.

huh, that is like weirdly out of synch with the conversations around "THE META" you hear on places like Reddit.

A blanket stat like "average K/D per class" doesn't do anything to capture the effectiveness of a given class across the skill-curve of the player base. For example, most mediocre players will do better with a Stormcaller than with a Defender because of the difference in Super abilities alone. It doesn't take much skill to get 3-4 kills per Stormtrance... so 2-3 Supers per game will make a significant bump in a player's average K/D between the 2 classes.

But some classes tend have a slightly more significant skill gap than others when it comes to using them successfully. In the right hands, a Bladedancer can be one of (if not the most) dangerous classes in the game. But it take just the right approach and skill level to use effectively. Same with Striker Titans. Strikers can very easily screw themselves over if they don't use their abilities just right; missing a shoulder charge or Fist of Havoc will make you a sitting duck, Lightning and Blinding grenades have the potential to seriously backfire if you're not careful, etc. But a Striker who really knows what they are doing is a true force to be reckoned with.

By comparison, it is much harder to really screw up with a Gunslinger. Their super doesn't have the same level of risk, their grenades are less likely to backfire, their jumps are easier to control, etc.

So yeah, I don't think stats like average K/D per class really tell the whole story.

Also, the worst class is the only one who can't kill things with his super. That's a huge hit to K/D. But that "worst class" is also a massive help to his team. Don't believe me? Go into mayhem clash with a suppression grenade defender. Your K/D may not be great, but your team will win because the enemy won't be able to super.

The more I read this thread the more I think the spread isn't a big deal. Saying the Defender needs buffed based on k/d is like saying TF2's Medic needs buffed for the same reason.

Exactly.

Though I need to also say that the hunter "nerfs" are honestly not that big at all.

Also, the worst class is the only one who can't kill things with his super. That's a huge hit to K/D. But that "worst class" is also a massive help to his team. Don't believe me? Go into mayhem clash with a suppression grenade defender. Your K/D may not be great, but your team will win because the enemy won't be able to super.

The more I read this thread the more I think the spread isn't a big deal. Saying the Defender needs buffed based on k/d is like saying TF2's Medic needs buffed for the same reason.

Complete vindication that hunters were stupidly overpowered in the crucible.

Time to buff defenders.

huh, that is like weirdly out of synch with the conversations around "THE META" you hear on places like Reddit.

My highest K/Ds come from being an evil cowardly-aggressive invisible bladedancing Huntress who wields Universal Remote and sticky grenades.

Identity theft. I remembered your post about it when I decided to try it out.

C'mom, Bungie, give us graph-porn!

I had a joke about divination but this request totally sidetracked me...

My DTR stats say I average 1.07 K/D with a score of 3,060.39 in the control playlist which seems about in-line with your stats. It would probably actually be a bit better for my team (and my K/D) if I were slightly less aggressive in order to make sure I have teammates supporting me when I run in shoulders-blazing. :)

I just checked and I'm 0.99 K/D with 3035.30 score per game, so yeah, surprisingly similar. I do spend a lot of time mucking around with gunsmith guns or trying weird loadouts, so I wonder how much that affects things overall. Last night I took hawkmoon into rumble to see how it did, and that last place finish sure isn't helping my ELO. For the record, I do not like hawkmoon right now. First Curse or TLW are where it's at.

I've been making a conscious effort to notice the shimmer of invisible Hunters now, but it catches me off guard once in a while. Head-on, though, I will probably smoke you.