Would you rather play 5 real games, or 50 mini-games in WarioWare?

If the mini-games are funner and exist in a universe I enjoy, the later.

That's not what I mean. 5 of the BEST GAMES EVER or 50 of the best mini games ever. Real games win every time and will entertain you far more than mini games.

Getting too hypothetical for me. Answer: I'll take both.

You can't have both because you only have manpower and money for one or the other.

Then I wouldn't love Bastion so much...

The DLC model doesn't make much sense for a game like Destiny. It's actually a Trojan Horse subscription service; if you don't buy the DLC, I'm not sure what you are getting out of the game anymore. I'm wondering if they were actually seeing a reduction in users when DLC was coming out.

Personally, I thought the pace of the expansions was a little fast in Year 1. I only got to do the Vault of Glass the week before TBD, and felt like I missed out on some stuff when they moved everything along. I didn't get a second character going until right before House of Wolves, and didn't get my 3rd character going until right before Year 2. And that's playing 1.5 hours a night! I don't know how you guys consume this content so quickly. I still haven't even finished all the story missions in TTK on my main character, and haven't done any on my other characters, even though I've 'lighted' them up.

There's still so much to do in this game for me, more large expansions would just make me feel overwhelmed. And, there's a lot of content that was left behind that could easily be re-purposed. We now have Challenge modes for Kings Fall - how cool would it be to get Challenge modes for VoG or Crota's End? And Crucible continues to be ripe for more 'free'-type content.

I am more than happy to just wait for large content drops that integrate into the fabric of the game.

Really? Because so far I've only seen you complain about not getting it. Where's the "more than happy to just wait" part come it? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING. The next TTK might drop in six months or nine months or twelve months. Or a full blown Destiny 2.

I understand your position, and I'm sure quite a few folks share it. Just acknowledge that it's not the only position, and not even the only valid position. Lots of other folks have frequently requested and are looking forward to more of these little events.

I loved doing King's Fall Blind. It was by far my best experience in Destiny. It was also two long weeks of trying to make people's schedules line up, and was a much bigger chore than I anticipated.

I'm not sure how hard it is to understand my position, and why you keep not getting it. Here it is:

I want more lots of fun, interesting missions and quests to play.

Fixed that for you.

Destiny is a game about shooting stuff with other people, so I would like high quality content where we do that.

I think the community has already proven that is not all this game is about.

I do NOT want:

Low quality content where we do that.
Filler that is not entertaining or challenging.
Mini-games.

It all comes down to wanting more AWESOME stuff to do. A trickle of content is not that. We need big releases that have a critical mass. I am more than happy to just wait for large content drops that integrate into the fabric of the game. I'm not so happy to get 'fluff' in more frequent intervals.

I respect that opinion. I'm sure it's very true for you, but Bungie is trying to do what they think is best for the entire community of Destiny.

There is nothing that sucks about this position. The problem is squarely on Bungie wanting Destiny to be something people play 'as a hobby'. Even back before the game was announced I said content creation would be a problem for that to become a reality. And look what came true!

Again, I personally think that this being a content creation problem is a matter opinion. I think that it's not going to be a problem. I believe that Bungie will be able to fill that space with content that is entertaining until the next big content push comes out.

House of Wolves: "There's too much stuff to do! I'm forced to keep playing! I want a raid!"

The Taken King: "I'm forced to play the Raid! I want more content!"

Year 2 Model: "A steady trickle of free content? That won't be enough to keep me playing! I want a raid!"

-This Is Why You Suck-

I'm not sure how hard it is to understand my position, and why you keep not getting it. Here it is:

I want lots of fun, interesting missions and quests to play. Destiny is a game about shooting stuff with other people, so I would like high quality content where we do that.

I do NOT want:

Low quality content where we do that.
Filler that is not entertaining or challenging.
Mini-games.

It all comes down to wanting more AWESOME stuff to do. A trickle of content is not that. We need big releases that have a critical mass. I am more than happy to just wait for large content drops that integrate into the fabric of the game. I'm not so happy to get 'fluff' in more frequent intervals.

The post oryx kill quest lines leading up to the raid were all excellent. We need more stuff like that.

There is nothing that sucks about this position. The problem is squarely on Bungie wanting Destiny to be something people play 'as a hobby'. Even back before the game was announced I said content creation would be a problem for that to become a reality. And look what came true!

As I tried to say before, the flavor and universe of the mini game is a part of the game.

This is absolutely true, however these things have to build on an already impressive core game. You can't do the little things without the big things being there first. Right now I think Destiny could use more story driven missions, and less mini-game.

That's not to ignore what you're saying. Destiny totally needed more content back then. And a reworked and rereleased Queens Wrath instead of waiting months and months would have been a good thing. :)

But hey, maybe that's just me. I prefer to look forward to stuff I know about rather than go cynical on speculation.

I'm looking forward to Destiny 2 more than anyone here.

I'm looking forward to Destiny 2 more than anyone here with a cherry on top.

Hah! Beat you.

(And in the mean time, I can't wait to race some Sparrows.)

The Taken King: "I'm forced to play the Raid! I want more content!"

Year 2 Model: "A steady trickle of free content? That won't be enough to keep me playing! I want a raid!"

-This Is Why You Suck-

http://kotaku.com/bungie-confirms-that-theyre-not-doing-big-destiny-dlc-t-1746865949

Likely nothing major until fall 2016.

That's the same quote.

And yet, you anticipate the unannounced, uncommented on Destiny 2? What's up with that?

Because they hired High Moon to just sit and twiddle their thumbs and browse the internet all day? Do you honestly think Destiny 2 isn't an inevitability?

Bungie itself employees hundreds of people. Are you saying from now on all of them will be making mini games and holiday events and none of them are working on new Destinations, Raids, or story content?

As for Destiny 2, no, I'm not sure it is inevitable. I might very well be wrong, but it is possible we'll just have Destiny for the next nine years and it will change and update and get new minor free and major paid content without going the route of a new retail sequel. Bungie has said our Guardians will be with us all the way. One way to do that is to reimport then like you did with Mass Effect 2 and 3, but another way is to never change the underlying core product.

Look at Destiny's branding today even. Bungie doesn't refer to it as "Destiny" in official contexts. More events aren't on the way for "Destiny." We aren't playing playing "Destiny" anymore. We're all being marketed and playing "Destiny: The Taken King" which also is listed as version 2.0 or 2.1 or whatever it is fixing to be after the December update.

I'm confused as to why this whole thread is accepting the above notion as a truth based on one vague response in an article that doesn't really answer the question...

It's logic and common sense dude.

Deej was asked 3 times in a PS Experience video about paid DLC, and every time he deflected. If paid DLC is in the pipeline, it's trivial to say "yes, but that's down the line our focus is events right now". No affirmation at all. Because it is either not happening, or uncertain. Both scenarios are not outcomes I hope for.

Or a multitude of other reasons, because you don't really know anything specific about their plans.

"Rather than doing these giant, monolithic DLC packs, this way everybody who's an owner of Taken King can enjoy these things."

That's a quote. Do they not realize Taken King was so good because it was a monolithic content drop?

Yes, that's one short quote from one person during a press interview. I really have no idea what their specific plans are from that. Perhaps we'll get smaller DLC that has great content but drops more often. To me, Taken King wasn't good because it was monolithic, but because what was there was of high quality. If they keep up up that quality and spread it out rather than in dense pockets, that seems fine to me.

Also, do you seriously think that SRL is going to compete with any of the dedicated racing games available? That's delusional. It's going to be a mini game.

As I tried to say before, the flavor and universe of the mini game is a part of the game. I loved a PS1 Speed Racer game as a kid - not because the racing was the greatest, but because I got to be Speed Racer! A mediocre Star Wars flight sim was better than a more realistic flight sim because I got be Wedge Antilles! I like Destiny's universe, so I like the idea of racing in it, even if its not as good as some other racing-only game. And the idea that other things are happening in the game world other than just shooting aliens enriches the entire game for me.

But you've condescended my logic, common sense, and called my notions delusional in this post, so I'll take that as my cue to leave.